Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Anandram Jaipuria School Lucknow


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 09:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Seth Anandram Jaipuria School Lucknow

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A non notable school. As per the new rules of Notability, schools do not automatically qualify as notable. Daiyusha (talk) 14:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep One of the 12 independent references refers to teachers winning national awards. The text itself refers to the regional grouping that the headteacher leads. Each would be a GNG pass. Now as to the nomination, this is a bland statement (erroneous) that is unsourced and does not give detailed links to the school in question. It is vexatious and doesnot AGF. ClemRutter (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The principal of another school under the same parent organization, won an award(Seth Anandram Jaipuria School, Ghaziabad while the article is about a school in lucknow), even if she had won it while working at this school,would that be enough to make the entire school notable? Most references are about the parent organization of this school, as things stand this particular institution doesn't really have anything in favor of it. Daiyusha (talk) 11:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That certainly is not how I view it. The standard of writing is not yet good, but the referencing tells another story about its importance. The schools website is unusual as it gives sources to claims that it makes. It suffers from the common Indian problem of having multiple spellings in English for transcription from Hindi. From the website we have full details of the Indian Education system. This is the first of the chain of private schools. This is a school that is frequently noted (our definition of notable). If you have time, would you like to talk WP:WPSCH group on what you think the baseline information necessary for an Indian school so we can discuss it.

ClemRutter (talk) 14:42, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * IMO a notable school usually has these traits, a good chunk of their alumni should be notable, should have regularly been featured in newspapers for 'multiple' events, even if it is for just calling an important person as the chief guest for a school level event. I did a little more digging into this, what i noticed is that the school's references are mainly about
 * 1. The Lucknow school invited the Chief minister(basically the head of that state, equivalent to governor in the US) of its state to the lucknow branch's inauguration ceremony.
 * https://news.franchiseindia.com/content/Seth-Anandram-Jaipuria-School-Lucknow-branch-inaugurated.n13144 - this article alone proves that the Jaipuria group is 111 years old, the lucknow branch was set up in 2016. The school website says that the education division started in 1992. So obviously this article is notabout the first school in the chain.
 * 2. The parent organization thinking of investing more.
 * 3. An article about the principal of the Ghaziabad branch(a different city, more than 500 km away from lucknow), winning a national award.
 * 4. A general local news article about how students of Lucknow scored well in the High school exams in their state's education board, (lucknow is the capital and the largest city in its state btw). This school had one student among a list of about 20 students.
 * 5. Articles in non-notable, possibly non-independent sources about events conducted by the school.


 * My personal opinion about the school is that it is one of the better private schools with good facilities and a place where affluent parents send their kids, not necessarily millionaire kids, just people in a good job. It is connected to a big group, and so has had good investment done into it, compared to the rest of the schools in the city. Regarding the website though, as an Indian myself, I see a general trend about "digital marketing" gaining traction in India, with cheaper internet, and a large pool of Software developers, willing to make a website for you for cheap,promote your site on Google using SEO, writing articles on Social media and unfortunately wikipedia as well. Most schools now have a website now, and many even offer references.

Daiyusha (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I think I know what is going on here.Here is a List of schools, the page we are discussing is about the 1992 founded campus at Gomti Nagal, but it confuses the school with the trust and with other campuses in Lucknow. The website given is for the Shaheed Path school.Using the model we have to use in England to discuss multi-academy trusts and the academies that they control/assist. I would propose that we need an article on the trust which I believe we have: Seth M.R. Jaipuria Schools Now each of the 10+2 schools needs an article- or we need to have a [[List of Jaipuria schools which can hold the details until they can be spun off.


 * Almost every school is notable if you are into education, or architecture or community development- though to the outsider it us just a boring box. Changing the notability of secondary school was an uninformed decision. The reason the school were presumed to be notable was that, every time that a schools notability had been challenged the decision was reached that it did pass GNG umless they were tiny fly be night places. This blanket 'schools are not inherently notable' has not changed a thing- it just occupies editors in unnecessarily repeating the same arguments when they could be doing something more useful. But it does have the effect of biasing the articles we publish towards schools for the rich! Here in the UK, we find some editors only write about the private schools that are attended by the richest 5%.


 * We do need a lot effort to sort out Schools in India. Even our infobox fails us not having the necessary fields for exam boards school number etc. The websites are interesting, a lot of Wordpress but some schools in the chain seem to have a different unified approach that I haven't investgated. Lucknow does seem to be well covered. It would be good to get this sorted and on a firmer footing. ClemRutter (talk) 18:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Bobherry  Talk   Edits  04:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - as per this Rfc and WP:ORG, this school does not meet the notability threshold. Most of these sources are run of the mill and syndicated news from its parent organiztion, Jaipuria Group. KartikeyaS343 (talk) 07:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Schools are notable in general. Improvement is needed though. Otinflewer (talk) 20:14, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep until my previous comments have been addressed  I am not an editor that repeats blanket mantras. I have considered this Rfc and lay great store on the two caveats:
 * References to demonstrate notability may be offline, and this must be taken into consideration before bringing a page to AFD.
 * Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations.
 * Now GNG says
 * Sources do not have to be available online or written in English.
 * The page WP:ORG does not seem to exist anymore so until it is rewritten and restored (commented on and edited) so it is no longer an option.
 * This AfD appears indiscriminate, and indications are made in the text and the school website that Reliable Sources do exist. South Asia is outside my comfort zone, and so is North America where I try not to make judgements about notability- I realise my perceptions will be different from a local. The same applies here and if Wikipedia wishes to be a global encyclopedia we need to be very careful not to be WASPish. ClemRutter (talk) 22:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


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