Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Ofori-Twumasi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was (Non-admin close) No Consensus, too many articles listed at once. Woodym555 11:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Seth Ofori-Twumasi

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Subject fails notability criteria laid down for sportspersons as laid down at WP:BIO, and also fails new criteria being discussed at WP:FOOTY. PeeJay 22:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:

PeeJay 23:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. PeeJay 23:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - I wasn't aware that any conclusions have been reached on the football project discussion. Anyway, presuming we're simply using the criteria on WP:BIO - glancing through a couple of these, it seems you're nominating youth players who have yet to play a first-team game, yes? Then Jordan Parkes definetely shouldn't be on this list, as he's played a couple of professional games for Watford. Albiet they were league cup games, but Curtis Osano got kept. HornetMike 23:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I was mainly going on numbers in infoboxes for appearance totals. I should have read Parkes' article more closely. And yes, I am nominating players from the England youth team squad lists who have yet to play a first team game. With regards to the guidelines being discussed at WP:FOOTY, I know they're not set in stone yet, but if the discussion is kept going, they should be finalised soon enough. - PeeJay 23:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - too many nominations, you are trying to 'catch-all', and that's not going to work in this instance - they require separate assessments for deletion as I can't see how they are exactly "related" in the way you're thinking. Split them and I'll contribute. Ref (chew) (do) 00:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I've picked one of these players at random, Frank Fielding and he's played 7 league games on loan at Wycombe. I don't know if any of the rest have played but I think this AfD may be a little too over-zealous. Peanut4 00:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Unlike Jordan Parkes, though, the Frank Fielding article makes no mention of the fact that he actually made appearances for Wycombe. I have removed the AfD from Fielding and Parkes now. - PeeJay 00:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm sure several of these articles should be binned, someone should go through and strike out the ones who have actually played league games and amend the player articles to state the fact, then we can discuss the others. King of the North East  (T/C) 00:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - to clarify my opinion. The only AfD bundling which applies here is the last one (quote): "An article about any topic and other articles with the same content but with different titles." Each of the above articles has content which is unique to itself, you cannot call it "the same". Then it follows that (quote): "If any of the articles you are considering for bundling could stand on its own merits, then it should be nominated separately. Or to put it more succinctly, if you are unsure of whether to bundle an article or not, don't." Please reconsider your nomination(s). I would suggest that the proper way to deal with this is to strike this AfD and start afresh. Ref (chew) (do) 00:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Fair enough, I see where you're coming from. When I began this nomination, I simply grouped them together because their only claim to notability was that they had played for/been called up to an England youth team. I guess I should have read the bundling guidelines better (looks like my reading skills are taking a battering today :D ) - PeeJay 00:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - we all do similar things. Selective article "executions" are fine - just trying to prevent any mass-murders! :-) Ref (chew) (do) 00:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Indeed. I would hate to be accused of Wiki-genocide! Just imagine, years from now, people could be saying "PeeJay: Wikipedia's Hitler!" :-P - PeeJay 01:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - of the others, most aren't even on soccerbase. But Michael Woods (footballer) has played two FA Cup games (as sub) for Chelsea, and Jamie Annerson has played on FL Trophy game on loan for Rotherham. I'm not sure the latter one counts for WP:N, though I reckon the former does. Peanut4 00:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Withdrawn AfD for Woods, but I stand by the Annerson AfD, despite the fact that he may make an appearance in a proper competition within the next few weeks. - PeeJay 01:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree - I agree with AfD for Annerson. He's been there for more than a month - since September - and hasn't played any other game yet. Peanut4 01:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Additional comment. Wow a lot of work has gone into Krystian Pearce even though he hasn't even played a club game yet. The article already has 23 references. Peanut4 01:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Re Jordan Spence - Captain of the England U-17s, over 30 England youth team appearances, regular West Ham reserve player and one often watched by West Ham senior management and coaches from other sides. I have seen him and, believe me , he has all the makings of a very good footballer. Only signed pro forms last summer and has 1st team squad number. Delete this now and it is sure to be put back before long!--Egghead06 08:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment You haven't read the discussion properly if you think any consensus, let alone this one, has been met. This is an ill-considered and over-zealous nomination, and should be closed, with (some of) the players nominated individually. ArtVandelay13 09:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment
 * Re Krystian Pearce. This player has played every game for England U-17s at the World Cup, been fast-tracked into the Under-19 team and played in their every game since, received a squad number at his Premier League club and sat on the bench for that club. All these matters are included in the article and fully referenced. He has been individually profiled by his club, the local press, and the FA, and received significant mention in national press and at the FIFA website. All these are referenced in the article. The significant coverage in "multiple, independent sources" he has since received clearly now satisfies the WP:BIO of notability, and as such the article should be kept, regardless of his not having played a competitive game for his club.
 * If you want go through footballer stubs selecting subjects with no reasonable assertion of notability, then there are plenty of them about, but please bear in mind that just because playing a fully-pro league game makes a player notable, that does not imply that not having played a fully-pro league game automatically makes him non-notable. Struway2 10:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent point. I think it's too easy to add AfD because a player doesn't satisfy the obvious notability criteria. Peanut4 10:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - like most of the previous comments, I agree that this AfD should be abandoned in view of the great disparity in the subjects. They should come up for AfD individually. As for the two Southampton youngsters, Joseph Mills and Oliver Lancashire, at present they are nowhere near the first team (although Lancashire does have a squad number) so should probably be deleted. --Daemonic Kangaroo 10:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - however, if this AfD is to be abandoned, we cannot decide here. Consensus will become very difficult to decipher, as all sorts of points are flying about regarding many of the "victims" of this bundling nightmare. As I said in my first comment, split everything down into sensible parameters, and I will offer opinions. I refuse to offer any in this AfD as it stands. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 11:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - Fair enough. I've taken all of your comments on board, and I now propose that this AfD be speedily closed. - PeeJay 13:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.