Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sevens, Elevens, and Doubles


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:37, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Sevens, Elevens, and Doubles

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Drinking game. No evidence offered so assume made up one day. &mdash; RHaworth 16:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:44, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * IAR Keep. Possibly not technically notable, but definitely worth an article. The internet is full of references to this game, including a YouTube video. This game definitely exists out there in the real world. Of course it always takes a while before a new game appears in reliable sources, and then it may again take some time before we find it. I see no harm in keeping the article in the meantime. Hans Adler 00:56, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * IAR Keep. My thoughts as well- there's a whole category of drinking game articles, and if you've got an entry on ride the bus, I hardly see how this is less notable given its comparative popularity. I added a couple of references, probably not as properly formatted as they should be, but it's a start. Again, if you're going to have a drinking game category, this is a relatively popular one which is why I created the article in the first place. Lmeister (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't make myself look at this category as I find the genre disgusting, but you might want to go through the other games to see if it's identical, or mostly identical, with another game known under a different name. In that case it's usually best to describe both variants in the same article, and of course they should at least link to each other. Hans Adler 06:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Qrsdogg (talk) 06:51, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment A quick look at other articles in the drinking games in the template shows that they're mostly unsourced or sourced to a book on drinking games or campus newspapers. Does anyone have access to a book on this/know of a good source for something like this? Qrsdogg (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just added a couple sources, couldn't find too much out there about this though. Qrsdogg (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Why does Google only return 61 results? If this a popular game?  Does it go by different names perhaps?   D r e a m Focus  15:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like "Seven Eleven Doubles" returns ~50x more hits. Maybe this page has the wrong title. Qrsdogg (talk) 17:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment&mdash;There are a number of books about drinking games, which include coverage of dice games. However, none of theme seem to mention this game. Not much luck in the reliable secondary sources department. Sorry, can't support.&mdash;RJH (talk) 18:21, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I found one book mentioning this game in Google book search. Cocktails and Drinking Games for Smartphones and Mobile Devices - a Complete By MobileReference]  It says its also known as Sloppy Dice.   D r e a m Focus  20:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: sources in article are of low-to-mediocre reliability (and decidedly WP:HOWTO rather than WP:SECONDARY), with little evidence from find that better exists, so WP:GNG is not met. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Drinking games are notoriously hard to find good sources, especially print sources for, but this article now has just that. Although I had earlier nominated it for deletion for lack of sources and assertion of notability, I am now happy with the references.  Oreo Priest  talk 07:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Based on books found listing it, and websites that list drinking games including it, this seems like a real thing.  D r e a m Focus  20:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:ITEXISTS? Certainly a decisive reason for an article. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I did mention it is listed in books and elsewhere.  D r e a m Focus  12:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete due to lack of evidence of non-trivial coverage from reliable sources.  coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  23:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename or delete rename and modify to generic Drinking dice games. I accept that dice games are the most difficult games to reference, but in this case I am not convinced that this is sufficiently original to have its own page and with the current sources doesn't pass notability. The given numbers seem unexplained, and I would expect to see other number combinations too if it was a notable game with an alias of sloppy dice.Tetron76 (talk) 13:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Noteable and very enjoyable drinking game.  Tried to add info from "How to Play the Drinking Dice Game, "7, 11, Doubles"" but strangely ehow.com is on our spam lists even though only professional writers can create articles there.  Anyway sufficient coverage is already demonstrated by the existing sources. FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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