Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seventeen (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. In line with established practice, recommendations from users with few or no contributions outside this topic have been given less weight. Stifle (talk) 12:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Seventeen (band)

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There is literally nothing in this article. Their one song did not even chart. They had some variety shows, but that is about it. A merge with Pledis Entertainment is fine, but there is nothing notable mentioned about the band at all. The references contain four Allkpop links, one Soompi, one Facebook and one Baidu link. TerryAlex (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. VikÞor  |  Talk 04:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. VikÞor  |  Talk 04:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:GNG.  No evidence of any coverage by any sources independent of the artist.  The Allkpop and Soompi "stories" use the artist's own press releases/website as sources, and the Baidu link is to a personal blog with animated gifs of the music video.  The article says they were in their own variety show, which at first looked impressive, but it turns out it was a self-made thing on their own UStream (a youtube-type thing).  Every single bit of information seems self-generated. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:35, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: The group apparently hasn't even debuted. A few sentences about them could be included on Pledis Entertainment, but it's too soon for a separate article --Random86 (talk) 07:59, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete fails GNG DOCUMENT  ★  ERROR  12:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not notable, not even third party sites like Koreaboo or Allkpop report on this band. Tibbydibby (talk) 23:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Added more sources. They have had a concert as shown here: http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/08/12/2014081201835.html Aquamaraqua (talk) 01:22, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Allkpop do in fact report on them. Multiple Korean news sites have done the same. I used to have more info about them on the page (examples: list of concerts they have performed at, list of the concerts they held themselves, and list of mixtapes they have released) though the sections were removed as they were apparently "too detailed". Seventeen has been around for over 2 years now, gathering a huge fanbase. Allegedlyinsane (talk) 17:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: They have an artist tag on allkpop http://www.allkpop.com/artisttag/seventeen The group is going to debut this year so there's no use in deleting this page now.BecciBexi (talk) 23:18, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment a group that has not been debuted is too soon for its own article.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Shouldn't that apply to iKON as well then? SEVENTEEN has released music, held their own concerts, attended concerts, members have appeared in music videos and they have appeared in variety shows. I don't see how when they are actually on the brim of debuting, deleting their Wiki page will be of any use. I've added sources, if there needs to be more I'll add more. Plenty of news sites covering them outside of tabloids and gossip sites.Aquamaraqua (talk) 05:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Not sure where the idea of "not even allkpop report on this band" came from. They reported plenty, including that they have mixtape out, that they'd be guesting in concerts and that Hansol will be in variety. On top of that they'll be debuting soon anyways, so why delete the whole page and have fans go through the trouble of putting it back up again? Extremely counter productive and pointless if you ask me.Mihnchangbyul (talk) 23:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: They hold concerts and livestreams as well as host their own internet-based show. Apart from this Pledis Entertainment do also treat them as an existing group by handling matters such as keeping a steady schedule and updating their site in the same fashion as their full fledged artists. Nyappychan (talk) 03:28, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Reminder: notability is established through evidence of significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources. Self-published materials (youtube, livestreams, artist website) are not acceptable.  For "keep" voters, you need to show evidence of notability by Wikipedia standards.  Everything else is irrelevant. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:18, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: As I stated before, I added sources outside of the artist/company itself, not including tabloids or gossip sites.Aquamaraqua (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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