Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Several lists of names


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was transwiki all except the Korean and Romanian lists to Wiktionary, per WP:WINAD and past consensus. The Korean list is part of a FA, so its fate should be handled through a separate discussion. Several editors discussed an as-yet-unwritten article that would use the Romanian list as an addition, plus the Romanian list is also sourced, so it should also go through a separate AFD discussion. The remaining lists, including the Deshastha Brahmin list, will still be accessible through interwiki links. Krakatoa Katie  21:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Lists of names
Some of these may be recreations since last time (I think they were all gone then, but now there are more) but, according to longstanding consensus, lists of names are not encyclopedic and are transwikied and deleted. See WP:WINAD. I'm including the list of past successful nominations of lists of names that I compiled a while ago: Past "lists of names" nominations
 * See precedent at, for example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of first names, Articles for deletion/List of given names by language, Articles for deletion/List of East African given names, Articles for deletion/List of Vietnamese given names, Articles for deletion/List of Slavic given names, Articles for deletion/List of Zulu first names, Articles for deletion/List of Persian given names, Articles for deletion/List of Zazaki given names, Articles for deletion/List of Hungarian given names, Articles for deletion/List of the most common Russian names, Articles for deletion/List of Lithuanian given names‎, Articles for deletion/List of French given names, Articles for deletion/List of Armenian given names 2, Articles for deletion/List of Portuguese given names, Articles for deletion/List of Roman praenomina, Articles for deletion/List of Modern Greek given names, Articles for deletion/List of Spanish given names Articles for deletion/List of Swedish given names, Articles for deletion/List of Latvian given names, Articles for deletion/List of Romanian given names, Articles for deletion/List of Irish given names, Articles for deletion/List of Italian given names, Articles for deletion/List of Kurdish given names, Articles for deletion/Lists of given names, Articles for deletion/List of Hispanic surnames, Articles for deletion/Lists of names, Articles for deletion/Lists of hypocoristics, Articles for deletion/Lists of surnames, Articles for deletion/List of counterparts of given names, etc.

This nomination is for the following articles:
 * These articles are merely lists of names belonging to a particular language or culture (i.e. a word list) with no prose or explanatory text or encyclopedic purpose. —Dmcdevit·t 22:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I would retain Deshastha Brahmin surnames. This section was separated from the main Deshasthaentry because it was too long. The article is not a mere list of surnames. It also tells the reader where the family comes from in terms of the subgroup or clan (gotra) it belongs to. Having a local family deity is also a feature of Marathi People to whom Deshastha also belong. Overall, it gives a good microscopic anthropological picture of the two million strong deshastha community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakher59 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Punkmorten (talk) 10:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Lists of names without explanatory text is not suitable content for an encyclopedia. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 13:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - all these lists (except the Korean one) are entirely unsourced, and there's general precedent that such lists are indiscriminate and basically useless. This material is not suitable for Wikipedia. Terraxos (talk) 00:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the Romanian list is sourced. Biruitorul (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep or transfer to another Wikimedia project, e.g. Wikibooks. Do not remove the material from Wikimedia simply because it's unsuitable for Wikipedia; instead find the right place for it. Fg2 (talk) 10:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I could have made it more clear that the proposal is to transwiki these to Wiktionary (which has an appendix of names already) and then delete them. Dmcdevit·t 11:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Transwikify to Wiktionary. Table Manners U·T·C 15:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Anthroponymy has been informed of this ongoing discussion. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 13:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep the list of Romanian names of Hungarian origin - it is finite, drawn from a published third-party source (which also implies some notability) and well-formatted. It is notable because it sheds light on an important aspect of Transylvanian culture (the interplay between the once-dominant Hungarian element and the former underclass, who were given (or perhaps adopted) these names prior to 1918, or were forced to take them during the Hungarian occupation of Northern Transylvania. Moreover, several prominent Transylvanians have had these names (Victor Ciorbea, Iuliu Hossu, Alexandru Moghioroş, Leonard Orban, Vasile Suciu), and the list helps to show this detail of their background. Biruitorul (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete --Radufan (talk) 20:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Care to elucidate? This is, after all, not a vote. -- Biruitorul (talk) 00:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Consider each list separately. Some of these lists are justifiable for their encyclopedic value while others aren't. Some are sourced, others aren't. Some may have been created to allow shortening of larger articles. I would say:
 * List of Malësor names --- Delete, unsourced list of words, with no explanation whatsoever
 * List of Bunt last names --- Delete, same
 * List of Goan Christian surnames --- Delete, same
 * Latvian women names --- Delete, same
 * List of Korean family names --- Definitely keep, part of the featured article Korean name
 * Deshastha Brahmin surnames --- Keep, but needs sources
 * List of Indian names --- Delete, some explanations, but limited to a dictionary scope
 * List of Montenegrin names --- Delete, unless sources and prose are added to account for notability
 * List of Paravar last names --- Keep only if Paravar leaders of the 18th and 19th centuries are notable enough
 * List of Romanian names of Hungarian origin --- Keep, an excellent addition to a yet unwritten article on Romanian last names
 * List of Turkish names --- Delete, unsourced list of words
 * In any case, deleted lists should be transwikied to Wiktionary and linked in Wikipedia, where necessary. — Adi Japan   ☎  09:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep List of Romanian names of Hungarian origin per Biruitorul and AdiJapan explanations. The rest of the lists can be deleted per AdiJapan-- AdrianTM (talk) 15:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * List of Korean family names, as already mentioned is part of the featured article Korean name. The information is in a differnt format, so it can not be merged into Korean name. The list provides a lot of new information. Not to mention it is excellently sourced. These two articles should be our precedent, IMHO. If a given list: 1) [if it] has the potential to be brought to the level of List of Korean family names, an article of its own, then it is a keep 2) [if it] has the potential of becoming a good section of an article, like List of Romanian names of Hungarian origin could become a good section of yet-unwritten Romanian last names, then re-arange and keep as a section or keep as an article, but bear in mind to re-arrange as a section when the expansion is done 3) [if it] has the potential to be improved, but so far it is a list of words (which is not suficient for an article), e.g. Latvian women names, place it on a long-term delete list, i.e. if it is not improved into an article Lativian names within 6-12 month, then consider delete. 4) if it is a bogus list, consider speadly deletion. In short, look at everyone separately, and see in which type it falls.:Dc76\talk 17:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep the Romanian/Hungarian list, per Biru's observation on its relevance to the cultural and ethnographic history of Transylvania. I don't see much worth keeping in the other lists, except maybe the Deshastha Brahmin one. K. Lásztocska talk 20:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep the Korean list, per comments above. The article goes hand in hand with an FA, and is a useful reference in it's own right. PC78 (talk) 19:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Biruitorul. --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.