Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Severino Tchivinda


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 20:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Severino Tchivinda

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Non-notable. Generic.  scope_creep Talk  19:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Africa.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Angola-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Congrats! this is the first AfD in a new delsort! –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Serial killer. Enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Hardly "generic". -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Somebody killing five folk is so common, that is it mediocre. There is nothing unique or special about it. On top of that you addressed the references.    scope_creep Talk  14:07, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sad that anyone would think that a serial killer of five people is "so common, that is it mediocre". In most places, serial killers are very rare. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Its not the fact the person killed five people, that is inconsequential, its the fact the serial killers kill multiple poeple on average, and there is so many of them and they so common, that they are barely spoken about, except on true crime series on tv and the odd crime series like "Dexter", and many many cop shows the rotate around plot.  The whole experience of stating, x killled 5 people is completly mediocre and generic, as that what they do. Perhaps you don't understand how many there actually are. I can't understand about why folk think these crimes are somehow special and unique. Its the reverse. Its a daily occurence, somewhere in the world right now.    scope_creep Talk  16:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you might watch too many TV cop shows about serial killers where they have on a different one each week. That's not real life. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 06:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that I wouldn't call a serial killer "common" and certainly not a daily occurrence. That being said, List of serial killers in the United States is not a small list, and that's just in the US, and per their inclusion criteria is only the serial killers that have a Wikipedia article. - Aoidh (talk) 06:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font:bold 15px 'Bradley Hand','Bradley Hand ITC';color:#044;text-shadow:0 0 4px #033,0 0 10px #077;"> —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 02:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Being a serial killer would fall under the purview of WP:CRIME. This article's subject does not meet any of the criteria listed there, and simply being a serial killer is not a consideration for notability under any notability guideline that I am aware of. The coverage that does exist both in the article and online is limited; the sources in the article are by far the best sources I could personally find online, and they're focused on the crime itself, not necessarily the person. Outside of the details of the crime itself, when focusing on the person (which is of course this article's subject), there's really no significant coverage in the articles. There's certainly not enough to warrant an entire article about him. The only other notability guideline that I can think would apply is WP:ANYBIO, and this article's subject fails that too. Of the three applicable notability guidelines, the article's subject fails to meet each and every one of them. - Aoidh (talk) 06:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment For info. I came across another two news sources of ones that recently occurred, one in Russian and one Angola or Algeria something like that but they were so dreadful that couldn't repeat them on here. Then I found another guy, an American in the 60's, on an article that came up. That was the blackest evil, it was beyond belief really, the most senseless thing, even reading about it now. So I'll pass on that assertion.   scope_creep Talk 
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 * Delete - Regretfully. I love true-crime, and created Lloyd Clark Fletcher and am the major contributor to Mark Valera. Fletcher does not meet WP:CRIME, however meets WP:GNG. Valera meets both. This subject meets neither. He did not murder a renowned public figure. I did have a laugh at comment. I respect you, and it is rare for me to !vote against one of your noms. However Liz has a point, to say killing five people is "mediocre" is a furphy - I must have listened to hundreds of true crime podcasts and I actually cannot recall someone murdering this many people off hand, except Bundy. Though, my disagreement ends there. The issue here is that while I do consider the crime noteworthy, it is not a well documented historic event evidenced through sustained coverage of the event. Proquest only showing one source and not much elsewhere. I gave serious consideration to invoking WP:IAR for the first time in an AFD discussion, but I cannot do it. As there is not sufficient coverage to demonstrate notability or create a properly sourced, complete article, I must support deletion. MaxnaCarta (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * it's almost weird isn't it? The whole thing seems like there should be coverage for it and thus notability, but it's just...weirdly absent in this case. - Aoidh (talk) 23:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed mate, it just felt wrong to vote delete but ultimately there just is not enough to get it over the line. MaxnaCarta (talk) 00:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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