Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sewer baby


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. Denelson83 06:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Sewer baby
Not notable movie project BeteNoir 05:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Notable Movie Project Mutai 00:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * SpeedyDelete per nomination. - BeteNoir 05:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC). Admittedly, anything this controversial deserves keeping.  BeteNoir 20:15, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Movie contains many references to people and places already appearing in Wikipedia like Lung Leg, Richard Kern, and Sonic Youth's EVOL album. Also, Mike Etoll just won first prize at a Minneapolis film festival.- Mutai 00:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC) NOTE: Article creator
 * Delete A Google search returned 374 results see . Notability of the film doesn't seem to extend much beyond Minneapolis where a local TV station mentioned it in its coverage. No entry on IMDb indicates that this film is not currently notable beyond Minneapolis. Capitalistroadster 06:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Capitalistroadster --JAranda &#124; watz sup 06:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, before I start making sewage jokes. tregoweth  07:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just doesn't establish notability, even if one of the people involved in the project does have a photo of Stephen King with a prosthetic mask. -- Captain Disdain 07:30, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. (Oh, and make some sewage jokes, I'd like to hear some!!!) Marcus22 11:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. —Cleared as filed. 13:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Capitalistroadster.--Isotope23 16:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as speculative and unverifiable. Plus any film that relies for credibility on somoene not having turned up to see it being made is probably not going to be No. 1 at Blockbuster :-) - Just zis Guy, you know? 16:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Definition of "notable" found throughout web does not exclude several of the people mentioned in this entry. There is no scope required to be considered "notable."

Mike Etoll may better be described as "infamous" in many circles, not all of them confined to Minneapolis. Though his name may not appear extensively on the web, his notoriety is extensive, specifically among "lo fi" realms, e.g. underground filmmaking, theater, punk rock, and countless appearances in nontraditional forums with the specific intention of remaining anonymous while inciting pranks, tricks, subversive activity.

In other words, Etoll has created, appeared in or significantly contibuted to films, videos, records and has been responsible for hundreds of creative projects not necessarily credited to same. Not only is Etoll's work most known among the non-technical and non-electronic media, his oeuvre has intentionally occupied the realm of the unattributable.

Please also note that Etoll's work has a long history as an artist whose work predates electronic citation. He didn't even know how to use a computer until two years ago. His contributions as a painter, filmmaker, playwright, actor, effects and prop artist, writer and performance artist can be traced to the work of Soul Asylum, Babes in Toyland, The Butthole Surfers, Curtiss A, The Meat Puppets, the Hysteric-Ontologic Theater (see also Richard Foreman), Husker Du, The Replacements, and Run Westy Run, First Avenue, Seventh Street Entry...

A majority of Twin Cities musicians and artists who gained their celebrity during the 80's and 90's can certainly attest to Etoll's "behind the scenes" influence on pop culture.

See TCPunk for extensive and most comprehensive documentation of Twin Cities underground music scene.

"Sewerbaby" -- the movie -- is Etoll's first major mainstream offering and heralds this amazing artist's emergence into popular culture. --Onomatopeon 11:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC) User's first and only edit.
 * Delete. Bad article GuardDog 00:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN. *drew 03:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Flush (delete). Etoll may be notable, but the movie project is not. -- howcheng  [ talk &#149; contribs &#149; web ] 17:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Although movie is not noticed at this time, it is obvious that this man is an important artist, and this film as his new major work is a worthwhile submission.- Tom Paulson 00:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC) NOTE: Vote actually submitted by 65.25.215.205; however, all User:Tom Paulson's edits are in relation to article and this AFD nom, so they are likely the same individual. Additionally, this vote was initially signed as User:blorch, a non-existent user account. -- howcheng  [ t &#149; c &#149; w &#149;  e  ] 07:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN Vanity: cut out the namedropping and self-publicizing and the article is left with nothing. If this movie makes the rounds at international film fests and finds a distributor then an article about it might be appropriate. --anetode¹ ² ³ 04:06, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I want to see the movie, Has a search been done through another engine besides Google? (Tom Blorch Paulson)- Tom Paulson 00:06, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Please stop deleting votes which do not support your POV. Please also refrain from voting more than once. Marcus22 11:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. The only edits by User:Mutai and User:24.223.252.12 have been on Poosa, Sewer baby, Mike Etoll, and Image:Lunginsewer.jpg, and the delete discussions for the three articles. The Lunginsewer image has also been marked as a possible copyright violation. - Dalbury 11:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Dalbury 11:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Sewer Baby is a first class "C" Movie which by its very nature is more interesting to me than any "B" Movie (Jeffrey Amadeus Booty: write in candidate for mayor of mpls)- User:Booty 16:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The previews of Sewer Baby I've seen are one of the funniest things in the world! (Marjon Leger: guitarist for non-band Ploughed)- User:Marjon Leger 16:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Sewer Baby should be kept because it seems its being made from a genuine idea with a lot of serious and known actors and music acts involved. User:Poosa 16:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC) (This is User:Poosa's first edit. - Dalbury 22:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC))
 * Comment How fascinating Dalbury. User:Mutai22:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Hannah Kritzeck showcases talents for disabled persons and her appearance in Sewer Baby should be an inspiration for others. User:Marjon Leger 22:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC) (User:Mutai changed this Keep vote by User:Marjon Leger to a Comment, evidence of sockpuppetry. - Dalbury 08:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC))
 * Delete per Tregoweth.--  Dak ota     ?     e   04:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep Quite interesting. Noteworthy.  And above all notable.  Contains content already referenced on wiki.  Contributes to film in ways that many films don't.  [User:BigBooger]
 * Comment to BigBooger. If you add four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your edit, you won't need to type in a signature block, or have to edit it. - Dalbury 11:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment How many of these keeps are by the same user and/or related users? I don't recognize any of these names!? Marcus22 17:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Mutai and Big Booger are the only ones who started editing before this discussion started, and they only go back a few days. Note also that Mutai changed a keep vote by Marjon Leger to a comment. - Dalbury 17:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * CommentDalbury made the same comment twice. Comments seem biased and subjective. Perhaps he should be suspended from commenting. User:Mutai 01:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. This edit purports to be from User:Mutai, but the editor was not logged in, and posted from IP address 24.223.252.121. At 22:36, 3 November 2005, an anon user at 24.223.252.12 removed six Delete votes from this discussion. - Dalbury 10:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment "purports" nothing, it was me who made the comment. User:Mutai 12:38, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Thank you for confirming that. If you log in to Wikipedia and sign your name by typing in four tildes ( ~ ), there won't be any confusion as to who made the edit.  Have all of the edits from 24.223.252.121 been yours? - Dalbury 19:09, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No claim to current notability. If and when released and widely distributed, it will get an article, but not yet.  --A D Monroe III 22:28, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable vanity, sock supported. --InShaneee 22:30, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


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