Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seymour Ehrenpreis


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Seymour Ehrenpreis

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This professor appears insufficiently noteworthy, though the little information on his wikipage appears accurate through my searching. It's also been in need of citations and has basically been uncited since 2009, which is a bit old. He fails to meet WP:PROF and WP:GNG standards rather clearly, as explained below:

Arguments for Non-notability
1. The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.
 * No, however I did get conflict results. According to scopus he has an 72 publications, 573 citations, and an h-score of 13. His most cited article on google scholar has 71 citations, and around a dozen in the 30-40 range. Semantic scholar gives higher results with 92 publications, 1282 citations, 10 marked as influential, and an h-score of 22. Of others are aware of a different score set please share. Nevertheless, these score are insufficiently noteworthy, particularly given that biochemical and medical adjacent research trends with rather higher average values.

2.The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
 * No. I cannot find any faculty pages or websites dedicated to him, nor any media articles. I was able to find one thing, but none of the awards listed would count. Still, I was not able to find anything and it is something that would generally be easy to come across if it existed.

3. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers).
 * No. This does not seem to be the case, I could not find any sources.

4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
 * No. His research does not seem noteworty or impactful enough to meet this, and I wasn't able to find any other sources.

5. The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.
 * No. It seems like he's been on panels and groups within and outside of his universites, but none would have counted as named or distinguished unless I overlooked something; his age makes this somewhat challenging to track down.

6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
 * No. Does not seem so, it looks like he was simply a researcher and did not have a major appointment.

7. The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
 * No. Does not appear to be the case and was run-of-the-mill.

8. The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.
 * No. I was not able to find any sign of him being an editor.

Other Comments
Part of the difficult in finding information seems to be age, as he was born in 1927 from what I can find. I didn't see any obituaries on him so he may still be alive? I did find an obituary for his brother from 2010. Nevertheless, finding information on him is extremely difficult and the sources of what I can find are flimsy at best. That alone suggests he wouldn't meet WP:GNG let alone WP:PROF. However, due to his age and when most of his work occured it might simply be hard to verify. Though, based on critera 1 and his h-score it strongly suggests to me he wouldn't meet any other criteria and the absence of evidence is because it doesn't exist.

Thanks! -- Tautomers (T C) 01:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Many thanks to Tautomers for their detailed analysis. They pretty much sum up the issues here of failing GNG and PROF.--🌀 Locomotive207 - talk  🌀  02:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. While his is a high-publication but surprisingly low-citation field, among his 36 coauthors with >15 papers his Scopus citation metrics are decidedly below median:
 * Total citations: avg: 4165, med: 1789, E: 646.
 * Total papers: avg: 162, med: 126, E: 80.
 * h-index: avg: 25, med: 22, E: 12.
 * Top citations: 1st : avg: 360, med: 139, E: 83. 2nd: avg: 172, med: 101, E: 39. 3rd: avg: 133, med: 80, E: 34. 4th: avg: 107, med: 63, E: 32. 5th: avg: 96, med: 54, E: 28.
 * Top first-author: avg: 172, med: 78, E: 83. JoelleJay (talk) 18:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete the one thing that gave me pause was that he held the title of Burger lectuerer for a year at a university. However this does not appear to be a named chair, but just a short term honor that I do not think meets that notability prong. I did find this article from the University of Virginia about Alfred Burger. It appears Alfred Burger is a very notable person. At least if we could verify a few of the claims in that article with indepdent sources, I am 100% sure that Burger would pass academic notability.The fact we seem to not have an article on him is one of the strong indications of Wikipedia being very presentist and overall having very poor coverage of notable academics.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I created that article, but am not all that pleased with it. I think it would help if someone with better knowledge of the discipline of chemistry had a look at it and found a way to improve it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


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