Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabbat lamp


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The result was   keep. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Shabbat lamp

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Product with no claim or evidence of notability.  -shirulashem (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Google Book search shows many hits for lamps and Shabbat. This article explains clearly (at least, it did to this editor who has little clue about Jewish custom) what a lamp for Shabbat is and why it's needed. NotAnIP83:149:66:11 (talk) 18:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * NotAnIP, I think part of the problem is that the article makes it seem that there are a whole range of products called Shabbat lamp. That's not true. In fact, "Kosher Lamp" is the brand name of the product. Is the product a neat invention? Yes. Notable? I don't think so. It has not been the subject of any publications. When I Googled both kosher lamp and shabbat lamp, all I could find were links to sites where you can buy this product.  -shirulashem (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you're persuading me. Maybe merge with some other article that explains about (and I really hope I don't sound offensive here, I'll admit I'm ignorant) "other Jewish customs". NotAnIP83:149:66:11 (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per NotAnIP. Jujutacular talkcontribs 18:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Plenty of sources exist. Most of them can be found by googling "kosher lamp." Googling "Shabbat lamp" actually brings up lots of sources about Shabbat candles. This article should make clear that it is about the innovative lamp. I plan to add some sources before this AfD is up. Xyz7890 (talk) 00:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The NYT article, the biggest source I found so far, is very sufficient in establishing notability. It describes who invented the device, what year it was invented, and gives an idea of how many have been sold. Xyz7890 (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Although I !voted merge on the Shabbat clock, and suggested that in that discussion that the shabbat lamp was probably similar and should be merged as well, I can see that they aren't at all similar. My first impression was that the lamp's electrical source turned itself "on" and "off" with a light sensor so that someone observing the Sabbath would not break the rules about electrical use.  Instead, the light remains on and is either covered or uncovered, which does not involve any change in electrical usage.  It's the modern day candle and bushel.  Mandsford (talk) 02:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge the limited verified material into an article about Jewish customs. JBsupreme (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, but change name of article. The article seems so be about the specific brand name, which as pointed out above, is the Kosher Lamp. --Pink Bull (talk) 03:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.