Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shahawat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. I recognise the sizable number of editors supported deletion on account of the utter lack of sources that this settlement exists, let alone is of sufficient character to justify an article. However, I was also persuaded by the remarks that the quarry is a red herring, because map co-ordinates are subject to an accuracy tolerance that may be obscuring a neighbouring settlement on the map. AGK [•] 19:42, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Shahawat

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Unsourced, fails WP:V. Pin points to a quarry!!! Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete unsourced —AE  ( talk  •  contributions ) 09:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Uncited bogus nonsense. Softlavender (talk) 09:50, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have added some sourced information to the article. The location is a town and seems to have a large cement factory. The fact that it is difficult to find reliable sources mentioning the town is probably because such sources are in Arabic. We should be wary of adopting an English language bias and thinking that settlements in the US or UK are notable while similar size settlements elsewhere are not. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment We also have to be SUPER careful not to let Wikipedia-derived locations create false positives. Gulf Cement Co. is firmly and demonstrably based in Khor Khwair - that site you've found is deriving its location data from the WP pin location!!! http://www.gulfcement.ae/contact-us/?lang=en Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Cwmhiraeth, both of the "citations" you added are merely misinformation regurgitated from EN-wiki. Softlavender (talk) 12:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I note what you say. WP:GEOLAND states that "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." So assuming this place exists, which is difficult for us to ascertain, it should not be deleted because of lack of notability. The article originally stated "Shahawat is the name of a settlement in Ras al-Khaimah.", had no co-ordinates or map and no reference to a similarly named place in India. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:51, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Cwmhiraeth, the community does not exist. It is not a "populated, legally recognized place". That you believe it exists is due to misinformation from this very EN-wiki article (which was posted in 2008 with an infobox and faux coordinates, all uncited) being regurgitated on the "citations" you added to the article. Softlavender (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * How do you know that the community does not exist? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:11, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't. But how do I know it DOES exist? There's no cited source to prove it. The two sources you linked on the article both derive from WP. Other than that, there's no source that tells us it is - let alone where it is or what it is. That's why I'm saying 'delete' Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * On aerial imagery there are some settlements/towns near the quarry and there's a chance this could be one of them. Do you have access to any large scale, possibly Arabic-language maps which might name these places? SportingFlyer  talk  06:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 'fraid not. And proving they exist on a map doesn't necessarily make 'em notable enough to be included, no? Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * We're looking to confirm whether it's a legally populated place under WP:GEOLAND, which is broader than WP:GNG since Wikipedia is a gazetteer, so official maps may be helpful. SportingFlyer  talk  22:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I can currently make out, it's just a quarry, as noted by the nominator. The Gulf Cement Company is located near Saqr, according to its website: . And this official PDF gives the location of the Gulf Cement Company as "The plant is located in Ras Al Khaimah and is strategically placed near the Saqr Port and the limestone quarry at the foot of the Hajjar Mountains.": (p. 22) Softlavender (talk) 14:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's Saqr Port next to the Khor Khwair industrial zone, where GCC is based. And so's RAK Cement. They crush an awful lot of rock in RAK! :P Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete as a hoax. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  15:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment It might pinpoint to a quarry, but the coordinates at that precision level are only precise to a 11km radius, and there may be a village nearby with that name. SportingFlyer  talk  22:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


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