Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shahira Barry (3rd nomination)


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The result was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 11:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Shahira Barry
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It doesn't matter that some Irish media sites wrote a few gossipy or promo stories on her. That's not the issue here. The issue is she is NOT a notable model because she has no career to speak of. Going to the Playboy Mansion a few times isn't an accomplishment. Thousands of other women have done the same for decades. She never actually became a Playmate. If she did, maybe there would be something to stand on here. But being the "Irish version of Kim Kardashian"? NO. Any girl with a working iPhone, neutral palette wardrobe, and a bob hairstyle can say the same thing for themselves nowadays. Trillfendi (talk) 22:20, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - Fails WP:Notability. Spleodrach (talk) 15:18, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable model.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. To add, page is orphan and SPA-created, likely fan/vanity. Agricola44 (talk) 17:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Contra the nom and other votes, I think it doesn't matter what her career actually looks like, it matters what the quality of the sources and their coverage is. I count 4 refs to The Mirror, 1 in each of about 9 other british papers, 1 in a Filipino paper, and 1 reference to her own website.  Are any of the british papers reliable (or even reliable adjacent)?  I suppose someone should go see if any other sources exist rather than just WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The last deletion discussion involved someone saying the articles were not a single flurry of activity, but were spaced out over months.  That might indicate passing the third second criterion in WP:NMODEL. Rockphed (talk) 11:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC) (updated at 12:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC))
 * I have written well over 100 modeling articles, clearly I would know what equates to NMODEL by now. If you think this is “IDONTLIKEIT” when I blatantly pointed out that the sources are gossip and promotion, not limited to the BANNED Daily Mail, then I can’t help you. Buy some common sense. The Sun, The Star, or any other of the celestially named tabloids are not reliable whatsoever. One has to have a modeling career to begin with to be a “notable” model. What “notable” modeling work has she done? Nothing. Period. As exemplified by her own words

What is your proudest moment in terms of modeling? My proudest moment so far would have to be hanging out with the main man himself, Mr. Hugh Hefner! He is such an icon and it was great to meet him. For a young Irish girl from a very small town, it's definitely a world apart from where I come from. It was a huge honor!
 * At what point did she actually model for Playboy. Or anywhere for besides her Instagram account for that matter. Trillfendi (talk) 16:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Since WP:NMODEL is actually WP:NENT, let's go through it. I think we can ignore the third criterion (made a unique, prolific, or innovative impact on their field) and focus on the first 2.  Has she actually had significant roles in multiple notable works? This is completely unsupported by the evidence (and probably contradicted by evidence). Does she have a cult following? She had a variety of pieces written about her in a variety of (completely unreliable) places over the course of some months.  She still has the occasional piece written about her (albeit the pieces seem to be in the same vein and locations as they were 5 years ago).  Does that indicate a cult following, or simply that she has a decent publicist who schedules interviews with tabloids?  I don't know.
 * As for why I said this reeks of IDONTLIKEIT, the reasons given by the nom and two delete votes to date are "ignore the sources, she has a failed career", "not notable", and "orphan written by a SPA", and are almost quotes from WP:DIDNOTWIN, WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE, and WP:ORPHS respectively. Frankly, I am not going to shed a single tear if this article gets deleted, but process is important.  If this article gets deleted with the weak justification here, then overturning the delete (especially in the face of 2 previous keep consensuses) will be trivial.  If you want to drive a stake through the black heart of this article (because you think it is about a non-notable person and is probably being used as advertising and promotion by said person), you should be using policy based reasons for doing so. Rockphed (talk) 17:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


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