Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shahu II


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The result was   delete. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Shahu II

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Fails WP:GNG. No independent coverage in reliable sources. India abolished monarchies in 1949. So this person is not a monarch. Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 09:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete The aticle is unsourced and it is likely that any only sources that might be available would be sycophantic ones. As the nom says, the independence of India brought an end to all of these feudal titles etc, many of which were in any case self-conferred. I've no idea when Shahu acceded to his non-existent throne but it seems unlikely to have been before the abolition. The final vestiges of the old system were scrapped in 1971, by which time it is more likely that he had assumed the title ... but it would still be a vanity title: no power, no substantive influence in a democracy etc. Unless the man has actually done stuff that fits in with WP:GNG or WP:NPOL there seems no justification for retaining this article, which presently exists probably on the misguided basis that someone with an (officially unrecognised) honorific is somehow notable. There are a lot of these vanity articles lying around and they need sorting out. This might be a test case. - Sitush (talk) 10:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

 "... the Maharaja secretly slipped to the holiday resort of Bangalore where his grandson, Dilipsinh Bhonsle, was schooling and adopted him. He wired to the Chief Minister of Maharashtra, who had that very day advised the Union Government to ..."
 * Comment. I would expect the heir of a mahrajah to have enough wealth, education and ambition to become notable, but I have not been able to find references for him as an adult. I did, however, find this brief excerpt about him from New India on Google Books. Perhaps there is more in the printed work, as Google Books only displayed a snippet. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * We received information request on Marathi language Wikipedia about this article subject. Reasonable Google search in Marathi language on this subject did not provide any encyclopedic information. Since this personality is from previous pre-internet generation undersigned is not aware if any information is available in older print media. Over all google search indicates that post Indian independance the Kolhapur Bhosale family members may have been socio-politically active but low profile in media.
 * this search at royalark.net indicates this personality has been patron of certain socio-educational institutions at various times and if need be if any info comes up can be included in relevant particular article. Unless more encyclopedic info comes up I am not sure about encyclopedic value of this article at this moment. Family members from his Previous and next generations of this personality seem to be more socio politically active and if some one works for a merged encyclopedic article for post indipendance contribution of this family then it will be more justifiable.
 * Although references show the title given Shahu II but for encyclopedic purposes it increases ambiguity with similler names.If at all you decide to retain the article and if the full name is correct as Dilipsinhrao Rajaramsinhrao Bhonsle, Kolhapur article title will have lesser ambiguity.


 * Thanks for making contact to Marathi language wikipedia.
 * Mahitgar (talk) 08:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. If The Royal Ark, the website that includes the listing for this person at the bottom of this page at royalark.net is a reliable source, then arguably the person is notable. And if it is not a reliable source, then we don't have enough evidence to establish notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It isn't reliable, just as with like Leigh Raiment's Peerage etc. I think you'll find some past discussions of several similar sites at WP:RSN, complete with the consensus that it is not ok. I regularly remove it and am not challenged for doing so. In any case, WP:GNG requires meaningful discussion in independent sources- note the plural. - Sitush (talk) 16:39, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * For an RSN discussion, please see Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_103. - Sitush (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - No sources to be found for this particular person. Being an heir of a royal house that appears to have ceased being anything authoritative since 1947 is not in itself inherently notable. Tarc (talk) 17:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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