Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani


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The result was keep (non-admin closure). Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:02, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani

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Fails WP:NPERSON altogether. I have been unable to find a single reliable source that would discuss "Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzak Jilani". Google returns a mere 49 hits on "Abdul Razzaq Jilani" and "Abdul Razzaq Gillani", 90% of which are transclusions of Wikipedia and the rest are unrelated to the person. Upon close inspection, the long list of references under the article are either to blogs and discussion forums or to publications that do not mention the person at all – or to SELF-PUBLISHED books by a Pakistani religious leader which the article creator has been pushing into various Wikipedia articles for a couple of months now (WP:REFSPAM).

It appears that unless new reliable sources are found and prove otherwise, Abdul Razzak Jilani's only claim to notability is the fact of being a son and successor of Abdul Qadir Jilani. I suggest deletion. kashmiri TALK  18:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep:The criteria for deletion does not fit at all. According to WP:PERSON, "the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be worthy of notice". The subject of the article is undoubtedly worthy of notice. Being the son as well as the successor of Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani is not the only but surely the most significant aspect of his popularity because the contributions of the former saint were greater. If the sources did not discuss about the subject of the article, the article would never have been able to come into shape. The entire article has been extracted using the sources mentioned within the article otherwise having to write an entire biography and that too of a saint who belongs to the 12th century can be very challenging. This is true for editors like myself who have to get involved in extensive research for article creation. This is why a range of sources had to be read and researched upon most of which as authentic and WP:RS. Multiple independent sources have been combined to demonstrate notability per WP:BASIC for the article to exist per Wikipedia policies. Pixarh (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Being merely the son of someone famous does not give one notability. Having significant coverage in independent reliable sources does, per WP:GNG. That said, there are enough reliable sources as I'll mention below in my vote argument. - HyperGaruda (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and move to the NPOV name Abd al-Razzaq al-Jilani an NPOV name without honorifics. This is one of those cases where a standard transliteration of an Arabic name is indispensable. Known as Abd al-Razzaq b. Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in the Encyclopedia of Islam, he has even got his own article there. I do agree though that the wiki-article is infested with unreliable sources (again by Najib-ur-Rehman and his personal "publishing company"?), but there's a handful of reliable ones in there too. - HyperGaruda (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Striked suggestion for new title. He was born and died in Baghdad and so it would be weird to call him Jilani. More like Abd al-Razzaq al-Baghdadi or we could follow the Encyclopedia of Islam and use Abd al-Razzaq ibn Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani, since his father Abd al-Qadir really is from Gilan. - HyperGaruda (talk) 19:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thank you so much for the information. Actually, Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani was born in the village of Gilan and/or Jilan belonging to Tabaristan, Iran-now a province Gilan. At the age of 12, he migrated from Jilan to Baghdad. Religious scholars use the name Jilani and not Gilani to refer to his name i.e. they use the sound 'J' (ج) and not 'G' (گ) because 'G'(گ) is one of those sounds not used in the entire Arabic language and most of the books of Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani are in Arabic language. The Jilani family became a notable household in Baghdad due to his contributions in the mystic world of Islam. This is the reason why his son Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani, shared the same title of "Jilani" and popularly became known as Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani. Pixarh (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Good article with notable reference.-- Seyyed(t-c) 03:17, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


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