Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shakespeare knot


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The result was delete. Consensus is against keeping. Whether to redirect anywhere is up to editors.  Sandstein  17:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Shakespeare knot

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I stumbled on this article, and have looked for sources. I have found none, though I did find the sources to start Shakespeare's signet ring. The ref in the article doesn't mention "Shakespeare knot" or that the design on the ring is "The Shakespeare badge", so this article appears misleading. There may be a Shakespeare knot garden somewhere. Afaict, the article fails WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:03, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. Looks to be 'just a design on a ring' that has been puffed up into something formal. The only cited source simply refers to a ring held at Stratford with this knot portrayed, that "is said to have belonged to Shakespeare." It says nothing about it being a heraldic symbol nor its derivation. Brooke-Little's An Heraldic Alphabet has an entry for 'Knots' where he shows 'the principle heraldic knots' but does not name or depict this knot. The only Google returns for the string either derive from Wikipedia or refer to 'Shakespeare's Knot Garden', which should parse as Shakespeare's Knot-Garden, not Shakespeare's-Knot Garden, and 'Shakespeare's knot-grass'. Even if it is real, and I find no evidence it is, its exclusion by Brooke-Little suggests it is not a notable heraldic symbol. Agricolae (talk) 15:09, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shakespeare's signet ring, which covers all the sourced information in this article (basically, that the ring is a signet ring and that the knot on the ring is a true lover's knot). Or delete; can't imagine who'd be searching for "Shakespeare knot" anyway, if they're not interested in the ring. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:46, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect -- It might be worth adding a few words about the Dacre knot which is more similar to this than the Bowen knot. This is clearly about a signet ring, which is worn on the 4th finger.  Men have not habitually worn wedding rings in England until quite modern times, so that that theory is not credible.  How the ring became lost is equally mere speculation.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


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