Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shamoun Hanna Haydo


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) JAaron95  ( Talk )  18:45, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Shamoun Hanna Haydo

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Even after making every possible allowance for systemic bias, there's apparently just no indication of notability of this person. The only source for the article is this, not WP:RS and now a dead link. The initial version of our article was identical to that page, which is copyrighted 2007; either it was copied from there, in which case it is an outright copyright violation; or that page copied from us, in which case it cannot be a source. In neither case do I see that we can keep this content. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - also want to avoid systemic bias, and all signs point to him meeting GNG. From what I can tell there is no common way to spell this guy's name. Assyrian people speak an Aramaic language which my browser likes to render as all squares. The Syriacs today are mainly in northern Iraq, Iran and Syria. In Turkish, it's "Şemune Hanne Haydo" - here's a Turkish-language academic paper written about him (has an English summary). Since he trolled the Turks I wouldn't expect much in Turkish. This French blog here (Chamoun Hanna Haydo) says he saved many people during the 1915 Assyrian genocide. These videos here and here feature a guy singing songs about him. Someone left the comment saying "Chamoun Hanna Haydo! The great Aramean Warrior!" I'm going to ask WikiProject Assyria for help in locating RS to support my keep. I don't know how active they are but hopefully will get some help. —Мандичка YO 😜 19:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Delete According to the text, he was a village head engaged in a conflict. I don't think this much proves his notability. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:48, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI he is repeatedly referred to as an Assyrian hero who saved many lives. There is a discussion on him here in Arabic - someone says they saw a program on TV about him and someone else puts a profile on him by a professor. Unfortunately it's a forum and we don't have access to the TV show or if/where the profile was printed.  —Мандичка YO 😜 13:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. North America1000 00:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am in favor of giving —Мандичка  time to work with others who can access relevant materials and provide more reliable sources to show that the subject is a notable folk hero among the Assyrian people.  It is hard to tell from the current article and other materials how relevant the subject really is or was.--Rpclod (talk) 13:18, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment : I agree with Rpclod. I am also in favor of giving some time to —Мандичка  to work with others who can access relevant materials and provide more reliable sources, as it takes a lot of effort in creating an article than in deleting it. I am in favor of giving hime some more time. Logical1004 (talk) 00:39, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - unfortunately the Assyrian project talk page is not that active, and there is no "Assyria-related deletion discussion list" that might have grabbed people's attention. But hopefully someone with resources will be able to contribute. —Мандичка YO 😜 00:39, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


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