Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shandon Sahm


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 08:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Shandon Sahm

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Should be a re-direct to Meat Puppets; no evidence or assertion of notability outside that band. Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  17:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I disagree that the Shandon Sahm entry should be a re-direct to the Meat Puppets entry. Besides Sahm being a member of the Meat Puppets for 10 years (and is a current member), as it states on the discography in the Sahm entry, in addition to playing on 6 albums by the band, he has also played on other artist's recordings, including an album by the singer of the Butthole Surfers, an album by Sir Douglas Quintet, a tribute album for Roky Erickson, among other artists' recordings. I also feel it makes sense for the Meat Puppets' notable members past and present to have their own Wikipedia entry, as they continue to be a very respected and influential band to this day. Gregp22  &#124;  Talk  2:14, 4 November 2014 (EST)


 * Keep The Shandon Sahm entry should stay. The work with the Butthole Surfers singer Gregp22 is referring to is "Gibby Haynes And His Problem", which was both an album and a touring band ca. 2004. Besides the extensive body of work mentioned, Shandon Sahm has also released two solo albums and has another in the works. Temporary Meat Puppets drummer Ted Marcus has a Wikipedia page and he was only with the band briefly, and has no recordings other than the two Meat Puppets albums he appeared on. Ragnarofl (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment first see WP:OTHERSTUFF as to why it is irrelevant that the Ted Marcus article exists. Second, WP:MUSICBIO is the appropriate guideline here.--ukexpat (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment under WP:MUSICBIO, Shandon Sahm meets the #5 item listed for "Criteria for musicians and ensembles," which is "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." See Discography for the proof. Gregp22  &#124;  Talk  4:47, 4 November 2014 (EST)
 * Comment Since it's established that Shandon Sahm meets the criteria under WP:MUSICBIO, the article should no longer be up for deletion. Please rectify. 18:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)Ragnarofl (talk)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 10:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 10:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Whoever is under the impression that a Shandon Sahm  Wikipedia page isn't necessary is someone who is need of a serious history lesson in the world of music. Why should it be forwarded to the band's page when there many other projects Shandon has been involved in. Not to mention it's not even his first time in this band. What's next, are people going to want a Shandon Sahm Wikipedia page to go directly to the  Golden Lies   article? Half the problem with Wikipedia is the people who think they're the Wiki-Police and here to save the world from clicking another link. If the higher ups at Wiki decide to remove it that's one thing. But am I actually sitting here having to explain why the drummer of a seminal Rock Band needs a Wikipedia page? I mean, I'd love to know a little more about the guy but every time I tried in the past I found myself forwarded to the Meat Puppets page which I (and most fans) have memorized. Furthermore, Derrick Bostrom has a page and he has distanced himself from the band. Why not forward his page to the Meat Puppets page? Derrick is more important than Shandon? Which one is needed to have the band still around in 2014: the guy who quit when things got tough or the guy who is currently lacing up the skins in the band now? The band works covers of his father's songs into their sets. I can't believe we're having this discussion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.2.175 (talk) 18:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  D u s t i *Let's talk!* 17:17, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment Due to the nature of the !voting accounts (i.e. one has 4 edits, another has 3), I believe a reslist is certainly warranted.  D u s t i *Let's talk!* 17:18, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep They do appear to have notable works outside the band with independent items under their own name on iTunes and Amazon. KylieTastic (talk) 17:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy close as keep and discuss a redirect on the talkpage. The nominator doesn't advocate deletion, and neither does anyone else here. Why wait? Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.