Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shane Greer (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 04:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Shane Greer
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 * Delete 100 per cent non-notable. Deleted previously for being completely non-notable. Nothing has changed. Vanity page. 01:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)Pistachiones (talk)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 17:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: I don't know what the deleted version looked like, but if nom is correct that this is substantially the same, I think this should be CSD'd as G4. KuyaBriBri Talk 18:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt not notable.--Unionhawk Talk 18:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article has changed significantly since its deletion in 2007, with multiple sources and expansion, showing notability as a pundit and blogger. I am concerned that delete voters here don't seem to have even checked the article history (or even read the article?), let alone looked for sources.YobMod 09:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies for screwing up AfD process and not being clear that it is the fact that it is non-notable which has not changed, rather than the article. Clearly, it's a vanity article. Having had a few articles published doesn't make you notable. Having a not-well-known blog doesn't make you notable. Working for a comically-small, unheard-of magazine doesn't make you notable. In what universe is this man notable!? Pistachiones (talk) 23:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral Delete. I removed one "source" on Samizdata, certainly not an RS. Linking to appearances as a pundit or passing mentions doesn't add up to notability. I think he's on the verge of being notable, thanks to the way that the media and politics works in the UK; he's buddies with Iain Dale, ran this Tory training thing: and presented on 18 Doughty Street, a now defunct internet telly channel. Being executive editor of a magazine that caused MPs to start an EDM in protest is probably more infamy than notability. Someone with some enthusiasm for the subject might try some better sourcing, I couldn't come up with anything good. Fences and windows (talk) 04:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Quickly, to go over the [|notability guidelines] for politicians, there's no category for unelected appartchiks. We deleted the entry for [| the guy who ran that Tory training thing], and the training thing itself (YBF). As a journalist, he falls comically short of meeting the criteria.
 * "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
 * The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
 * The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries."

Wikipedia doesn't list the "executive editors" for serious, big-circulation publications, let alone "Total Politics"! Pistachiones (talk) 07:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, you've convinced me. Fences and windows (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
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