Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shang Yunxiang


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. L Faraone  02:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Shang Yunxiang

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The article is copy/pasted form http://xingyimax.com/shang-yunxiang/ (a blog). The author says on the talk page that he has the copyright for the text uptained via a personal message on facebook. Besided that he didn't add the copyright message I don't know a Facebook message is enough to get the copyright for the text. Sander.v.Ginkel (talk) 12:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hi guys, this is Jonathan. I created this page. I'm currently in China and have no time or frequent access to Wifi, so please bear with me - might take up to 2 weeks to reply further... Neither do I have access to facebook so I cannot contact the author of the text. How do you wish to get the copyright proof from him? Should he personally contact someone or email someplace? Thanks for your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.133.177.236 (talk) 12:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The best way is to write an article in your own words and refer to the website - then no copyvio. Add in a few more references and away you go.  I would generally support articles on historical people in the Chinese martial arts but understand the issue with cut and paste.  If they are no longer living the bar with respect to references is lower than for those still living.  An article does not have to have all information right away.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * With this in mind I think it would'nt be fair to delete the article within the two weeks as the author is not available. I hope the article won't be deleted at all, but I think it needs to be adjusted a bit so it falls within the Wikipedia's guidelines.Sander.v.Ginkel (talk) 13:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree - my hope is that the original author understands the issue is a "conspiracy to improve Wikipedia".Peter Rehse (talk) 14:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to comment that, even ignoring the copyright issue, I don't see that someone's blog qualifies as a reliable source.Mdtemp (talk) 16:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 *  Delete Userfy This reminds me of Articles for deletion/Zhao Fujiang--reliance on lineage, lack of reliable and independent sources, etc. If the articles aren't ready, then they shouldn't be put into main space, but kept in the author's sandbox.  I have no objections to userfying this article so that it can be improved (actually, I'd prefer that to outright deletion).  Right now it's not ready for prime time.Mdtemp (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks significant reliable coverage and fails notability standards. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 16:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Jonathan here. I'm still in China so I still haven't had time to deal with it more thoroughly. Still, I have added quite a few additional citations. Shang's name, birth and death years and his life-story are mentioned in several books written in the English language, by various authors. Would this be enough to satisfy the requirements of notability and 'significant coverage'? Jonathan.bluestein (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 23:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

 Relist rationale: I closed this discussion as delete but am now relisting it at the request of an editor to allow folks to assess the page after recent improvements. J04n(talk page) 00:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your consideration. Jonathan.bluestein (talk) 00:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The sources showing lineage do nothing to make a case for notability. However, I think sources like   when combined with things like  and  are enough to avoid deletion.  There is room for much improvement in this article. Papaursa (talk) 00:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep There's just enough coverage to show me this article can be improved and should be given that chance. Sources keep getting added and he appears to be a notable figure for certain styles. Jakejr (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - It can be improved and the subject is notable; any copy vios must be removed, but even as a stub it can grow again. Deletion is a last resort and I don't think it is unsavagable. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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