Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shanti Wintergate (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. JohnCD (talk) 10:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Shanti Wintergate
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Though Wintergate seems to have kept very busy, her notable claim to fame is being part of Play Date, for which we already have an article. Apart from the information here about Play Date, this article is almost entirely unsourced (I mean lacking sources that are reliable and independent). Granted, there may have been an article about her in Chicago Metromix (though the link is now broken) but I can't see any other coverage online about her or her solo work. She's a songwriter/musician active in the internet age, with an unusual name to boot, so I would think if her solo work had been widely noticed there would be some clues for us to find. At the moment I'd suggest a very short biography (if anything) be added to the Play Date article, and this one is redirected. Addendum: I've subsequently realised I particpated in an earlier AfD. One of the arguments for keeping the article was that there was not an article at the time about Play Date. This no longer seems a barrier to redirecting this one! Sionk (talk) 11:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Nominating a page for deletion while I'm in the middle or a big expansion/source adding binge? Seems a bit pre-emptive -_- To start I would argue that authoring the book makes it so she's not related to only the band, and would request that the afd be withdrawn while I'm still working on things. re-nominate in a day or two if you like. Earflaps (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, seem to see some of the confusion: note that the book was published several years before Play Date was founded, with Wintergate as the author. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the Creative Child's award to know if that's enough, but I've found a number of good reviews. Earflaps (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Looked up the award it won in 2014- not much written about it in other places, but the magazine that does the ranking is a major national publication.
 * I'm not amazingly familiar with the site either, though a quick search found it used as a review source in quite a few good/feature quality pages: Spinning_Around, Flirt (novel), The Book of Taliesyn, the less nice looking Revelation Space. Maybe I should just make a new book page... Earflaps (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Looked up the award it won in 2014- not much written about it in other places, but the magazine that does the ranking is a major national publication.
 * I'm not amazingly familiar with the site either, though a quick search found it used as a review source in quite a few good/feature quality pages: Spinning_Around, Flirt (novel), The Book of Taliesyn, the less nice looking Revelation Space. Maybe I should just make a new book page... Earflaps (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I nominated the article because it seemed to be a very long a promotional piece that was almost entirely lacking reliable secondary coverage about the subject. As for the book, it is a joint project by Play Date, evidenced by the fact the awards were made to Play Date, not Wintergate or Attonito alone. The notability seems to flow back to Play Date, hence my argument for a redirect. Sionk (talk) 18:35, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I see why you thought that, the page was in bad shape when you did the nom, and the book/play date chronology wasn't really explained in the bio. Sorry if I came off as rude, I have a regrettable habit of snapping when I see red. Earflaps (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Quick clarification now that I've some less vague sources: for a time it looks Wintergate and Attonito promoted the book/their children's material with joint shows (here and here) that included solo material from their individual catalogs, and it wasn't until (very early?) 2012 that they decided to adopt the Play Date name and release official material. Earflaps (talk) 21:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per the subject being involved as a children's book author and Play Date member. focused on the bio a bit more, found some copyright violations that had to be cleaned out in the upper sections (there are still some junk sources as placeholders, which I'll probably mostly be able to clean out with better ones, though may add tags for the interim). Earflaps (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep In addition to other sources, the SF Gate coverage by Peter Hartlaub is significant. That's the website of the San Francisco Chronicle. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  21:37, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
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