Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaqtin' a Fool


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. This clearly won't be deleted per this discussion. A merge discussion can continue on an article talk page if desired. NorthAmerica1000 02:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Shaqtin' a Fool

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Non-notable TV show segment, which fails WP:GNG and WP:TVSHOW. It's a "1-3 minute" segment on Inside the NBA, and could be merged there. Bleacher Report is not the highest quality source, and there's little else. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Merge into Inside the NBA. This feature on TV show fails WP:TVSHOW.   No media coverage to make this segment stand out. Trysha (talk) 18:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - it can't actually fail TVSHOW since it's just a segment of a show. Of course segments will usually be non-notable, but we don't have (or need) a guideline to tell us that.  So the GNG is our only guide here.  Surprisingly, Shaqtin' a Fool overwhelmingly passes with hundreds of RS articles] in various languages all around the globe.  Some are trivial mentions, of course, but quite a few articles are devoted totally to the segment, meaning the GNG is passed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:26, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel that the quality of this sourcing is really low, which is why I don't think it meets GNG. Can you pick out some of the ones "devoted totally" to it? I see brief mentions here and there. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. I would also like to refine my position a bit:  really, this is a cultural phenomenon.  The phrase "Shaqtin' a Fool" appears to have become synonymous with "really bad play" to where various sources use it out of context and expect people to know what it means.  There is also a year end full-length TV program "Shaqtin' a Fool", highlighting the year's worst plays, so clearly we are talking about more than a mere segment of a TV show. (And really, one could even argue it passed TVSHOW based on the full length version on NBA TV, but that is not really relevant to the discussion.)
 * As to sources, I'm certainly not going to go through all 15,000(!) news stories found by GNews and find the best ones. Instead I'll just grab a few at semi-random (but ignoring Bleacher Report, which literally has hundreds of articles on it) and comment.
 * - brief coverage, but clearly indicates the cultural impact when spoofs of it are making the news
 * - same, but more in depth
 * - brief, but shows it is noticed even in Italy
 * - official NBA page covers it many times.
 * - As does Sporting News
 * - pretty clearly in depth coverage of creator Mike Goldfarb, with a good deal of info about the show
 * - review of a video game using phrase w/o context (i.e. expect people to know what it means); obviously not a source to write the article with, but a good indication of the cultural impact of the segment
 * - another sporting website that often covers each episode.
 * - fairly extensive coverage in Polish
 * In principle it could be covered under Shaq's page or the Inside the NBA page, or to a lesser degree other places. However, it does meet the GNG and is best handled as its own page rather than repeating the info multiple places across Wikipedia. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Pinging who accepted this at AfC for input. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:26, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 14:04, 24 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Merge into Inside the NBA. In this video age, most sources for this segment are just a brief summary of  past segment, with an embedded link to the video. Per Notability, GNG "is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." "Inside the NBA" itself is a short article, so there is no concern with article size either.—Bagumba (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - "Delete" shouldn't be an option here, rather it is a question of whether this regular, multi-season, viral-video-propagated segment of Inside the NBA merits a freestanding article per GNG or whether it should be merged to the piece on the main program (which is a MAJOR NBA show). Coverage of a parody of "Shaqtin' a Fool" by NBC Sports HERE leads me to believe that this article probably has sufficient momentum and possible sourcing for a freestanding pop culture article. Carrite (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 02:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.