Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sharfuddin Shah Wilayat


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The result was   merge to Sadaat Amroha. Nakon 05:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Sharfuddin Shah Wilayat

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There was some suggestion that this problem plagued article be deleted at so I'm throwing it up for discussion as suggested. Legacypac (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep : I know the sourcing is bit weak, but subject appears to be a notable person. The problem is, Indian media only recently has started keeping archives and related historical books are very few available online and even they having snippet view are completely useless. Here are three sources that suggest significance of subject, -,, . I'm attempting to find more in the meanwhile. Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  04:33, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (do not merge). My comment at the other AfD: "There's an apparent project afoot to create an article on every name mentioned in every Sufi publication. It'd be like every parish priest getting one." Typically of these, this article is OR puffery without any RS concerning some long-dead political appointee. Pax 10:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to Sadaat Amroha. Agreed that this is of little relevance to the western reader, but the guy is the founder of a fairly recognisable religious community in Northern India. your comparison to a "parish priest" fails to distinguish between a priest and a founder of a religious sect - in Amroha, the guy is revered much like saints are in Christianity. The question is whether there is enough sources to keep the person in a separate article, or merge him to the article on his community. However, seeing that the article is fairly well linked to, I am inclined to keep it. Agreed that it needs some serious editing work.  kashmiri  TALK  14:46, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If you stipulate to there being a question as to whether RS exist and that the article is as ugly as sin, then suggesting 'keep' is improper. As far as Sadaat Amroha goes, that article is a similarly specious wallow in "highly respected" OR puffery that should be nuked right along with this one. (Nom could bundle that into this AfD at his leisure...and follow the blue links in both articles to more of the iceberg under the surface.) Pax 23:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you quote a single suspicious link in Sadaat Amroha please? So that we know what you are talking about. I have personally "nuked" a few Islam-related promos, but I am surprised anyone would suggest to delete Amroha Naqvis. Unless, of course, the traditions of South Asia are not something you are best at.  kashmiri TALK  23:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I said the Sadaat Amroha article was specious, not suspicious. (It's written in the typical puffery-laden OR style of all of these Sufi AfDs, including this one.) Pax 04:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep or merge to Sadaat Amroha, per discussion above. Article now has one inline citation.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:36, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete There does not currently seem to be evidence of notability for the subject. Claiming notability isn't enough, in and of itself, to satisfy even WP:GNG which is sort of a first step. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Google returns less than I thought but still a few hits to consider. There is a lengthy article about the person on an Indian news TV website, a school in Pakistan is named after him , and, importantly, there is an annual Urs festival organised for the saint at his shrine . It's not that I insist, but it would be weird if that person, even if notable only locally in India, could not be found somewhere on Wikipedia. Whether he warrants a separate article, that's another question. Regards, <span style="font-family:'Candara',sans-serif;"> kashmiri <sup style="color:#80F;">TALK  09:57, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 04:13, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Weak Keep - Per Kashmiri, subject has received well amount of coverage in numerous reliable sources.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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