Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shark episode


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There has been no indication given that this topic has been discussed by reliable sources. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 12:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Shark episode

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A notorious piece of gossip based almost entirely on hearsay and rumour, without any citations to sources that one could honestly call "reliable". Discussions on the talk page reveal people were suggesting to send it to AfD about 9 years ago, so this is not before time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Led Zeppelin. Not sure why you wouldn't consider the Led Zep bios reliable. This is pretty well-known, and something involving a shark probably did happen. However, I'm not sure this deserves its own page though, so we can mention it on the main article. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 23:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This kind of maybe it happened material can be covered by the Led Zep journalists. ALso, why is this in the "artists" deletion listing?96.127.242.226 (talk) 07:21, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Because of Led Zeppelin. It involves them, so it's kinda related. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The "artists" deletion list is not really meant for musicians, although some end up here.96.127.242.226 (talk) 21:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've had a look at the deletion list and I saw quite a few musicians there. There is nothing in the notice that say it's for painters and the such. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 21:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you think about it, it's not really helpful to put musicians here, nor is overlisting them, as you have done above. If it's a musician, put them in music-related. If it's an artist, put them in artist-related. Specific sections exist. Why do you think there is an artist sectionand a musician section?96.127.242.226 (talk) 23:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * One being a more generic category than the oyhsr? But you make a fair point. I'll avoid sorting mucicians into the artist category. - - <i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 00:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It allegedly involves them, but aside from the second hand account of a former band associate who, by his own admission, needed a "kiss and tell" type tabloid story to pay off drug debts, there's no proof of this whatsoever. That means WP:BLP comes into play. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Because of the alleged connection, I added it to the list. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:55, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - this is only on something that allegedly happened.81.133.110.208 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sadly, delete as poorly-sourced gossip. However, I'm glad I learned something today. — JFG talk 13:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Laughable that this would be an encyclopedic topic even with greater certainty it happened. Reywas92Talk 16:37, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I will never look at this video in the same way again now :-/ <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per EDDY's arguments and the fact that, as indicated by this articles reference list, this subject has been covered in reliable sources and officially-published independent sources. The Delete arguments are invalid because they're saying the topic isn't notable simply because it's only "alleged" to happen and that "this kind of maybe it happened material can be covered by the Led Zep journalists." That doesn't prove anything about how much the topic is being covered in reliable sources. "Laughable that this would be an encyclopedic topic" (a vague WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC argument) also doesn't prove anything about the subject's notability either. Whether an article stays or is deleted depends on reliable coverage of the article, and this subject has that, so there. editorEهեইдအ😎 21:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hammer of the Gods and Stairway to Heaven are about as reliable as The Sun and the National Enquirer, and pitched at about the same level. The best source I have found is this one which suggests the whole thing is .... well, fishy. Mercifully, we don't have an article on Jimmy Page and Satanism. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:04, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - I am a hopeless Led Zep geek so of course I am familiar with this story. It will always be a part of the band's folklore but it is an alleged incident that has become legendary after 40 years of people talking about it like it really happened. It does have a seemingly solid source in the book by Stephen Davis, but the only known originator of the legend is Richard Cole whose memory and reliability have been placed in doubt, to put it politely. See the Contributions to published accounts section of Cole's WP article for some sourced interviews on that matter. Back to the shark thing, WP:NOT has multiple guidelines that could be used to strike down this article, including original thought and rumors. Anyone in favor of keeping the article or merging to the band need to show a policy concerning an old rumor becoming legendary enough to keep as a LEGEND rather than as true history. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


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