Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 07:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey)

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Non professional athlete. Fails WP:Athlete Shadowjams (talk) 04:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I sent a similar message to Shadowjams (talk) The tag placed on Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey) being considered for deletion I couldn't disagree more with.

http://people.famouswhy.com/shaun_quinlan/

The National Hockey League was looking to sign Shaun Quinlan in the mid-1960's. Played for semi-pro and NHL farm teams as injuries persisted.

The Boston University Terriers Men's Ice team is not only one of the best in the country, but one of the best in the world at the college level. To be scouted to play there is an honor that few can say they ever did. This man was a high school stand out for Arlington High School and could have went pro had it not been for injuries. He played with Jack Parker, one of, if not the winningest coach in Division 1 college hockey history. You say, non-professional. Wow, Travis Roy from Boston University was never a professional as well as many other so called professional athletes on Wikipedia. This man is achived in the Internet Hockey Database, played for one of the best college hockey teams in the world, played for the second highest winning coach in high school history Eddie Burns and his name is archived in the Boston University hockey family. Wikipedia is about athletes and important people who achieved greatness in whatever they did. This man was a great athlete and links to many Hall of Fame individuals. It's athletes like this that paved the way for the young athletes today. I remember friends telling me about Negro league baseball players, some made the pros and some didn't but they all made an impact on the game of baseball and will always be remembered the same way this man should in the hockey world. It has been over 40 years since this man played so statistics have faded into outdated record books, but they are out there and just need to be located. This amazing athlete has earned the right as a man to be here on Wikipedia for his place on one of the greatest greatest college hockey franchises in history! This man repesents hockey nostalgia and can enhance Wikipedia through Hall of Fame hockey links and articles. I ask you sir, do the right thing and let this great hockey player and member of the Boston University Terrier hockey family be a member of the Wikipedia family, he has earned that right! Shaun Quinlan was scouted by Boston University to play hockey for the Terriers. His play in high school, Arlington High School especially, earned him a fully paid athletic scholarship to play at Boston University for free. If one knows hockey, I mean really know their hockey in the hockey world, he or she can tell you Boston University will not even so much as look at you unless you are a superstar at the high school level. Boston University paid this mans tuition, they paid him to play for them, he was that good and could have went pro if not for injuries. All one in the athletic world has to do is look at the bottom of an athletes Wikipedia page and see the Category:Boston University Terriers ice hockey players and that sums up this person was the best of the best in hockey at that time. Remember, many Negro baseball players are in the Hall of Fame. Yes, they were not pros (Major League Baseball), but the impact they made on the game should NEVER be forgotten and that fact doesn't mean they weren't good enough. Wikipedia is like the Hall of Fame, great athletes on historic teams have a rightful place on this great project and every time one is added it enhances the overall Wiki.

Thank You & God Bless Wikipedia's Editor's and Staff,

Bladezuvsteel (talk) 14:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: TL;DR version please? URBAN-ANDY (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Best estimate: "Played for farm teams, played for collegiate team." Still no claim to passing WP:ATHLETE. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I will try to find more sources etc. It has been over 40 years but I will try. If this man played today and was healthy he would be in the pros, sad. Don't know what "still no claim to passing" means or DR version.

Bladezuvsteel (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey) Labeled the article a stub, looks like it fits that category and that will allow it to be expanded upon. And from taking a few quick moments to look in the Category:United States ice hockey biography stubs, one of the first names I clicked on was Jason Saal who never played a single game in the NHL and plays for some lower International "AA" league team. With that being said, this article deserves to be saved as a stub so it can be expanded upon in the event information becomes available via hockey archives. Bladezuvsteel (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It would be so great Shadowjams (talk) if you could save this article as a stub and take off the "article considered for deletion" tag which you placed on it. This would allow people the opportunity to search hockey archives and databases to help expand it. There is information out there, it just has to be found. There are many hockey players on Wikipedia that never made the NHL and played in affiliate leagues etc. I strongly feel this hockey player is a quality addition to Wikipedia as a stub especially when many other stubs don't contain much of anything. This article is a link to the Golden Age of hockey and one of the best college hockey teams in the world and there is more quality material and photographs that have yet to be added to it. I ask you to save it as a stub and allow it to have the opportunity over time to grow like so many others on this great project. Thank you Shadowjams & God Bless you, Bladezuvsteel (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: While Mr Quinlan may very well have been capable of playing in the NHL, the sources in the article do not indicate that he actually played in the NHL. As for other hockey players in Wikipedia who didn't play in the NHL, I refer the interested student to a popular argument best avoided. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Are there any Wikipedia editors that can save this article from being deleted and have it saved as a stub? I grew up with this guy and he was a great talent. Lost touch after high school. You say never played in the NHL but I saw this site:

http://people.famouswhy.com/shaun_quinlan/

and it says he did. Out of respect for him I thought I would put forth a bit of effort to get him saved as a stub. It says time in the NHL, don't know how much etc. but I was just going off this information from this web site. I believe it qualifies as a stub but I respect the editors of this great project if they feel otherwise. This is my last hope to get it saved once and for all. I hope on this Wikipedia jury of editors there is one on there that feels the same way I do and gives it a chance in the event more archived info is found it can be added to it. Either way I thank all the editors and staff at Wikipedia for everything they do and am very thankful for your time,

Bladezuvsteel (talk) 04:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Bladezuvsteel: Sorry for not addressing you directly until now, but let me try to explain our reasoning here. It's my fault for not doing so sooner. Many of us go through this deletion process with dozens of articles at a time, and we generally all agree on a few criteria for the ultimate criteria which is Notability. Generally that means a topic is talked about by major sources in a way that would indicate that the topic is itself notable. There are a lot of specifics laid on top of that, but generally that's the touchstone for everything that wikipedia does.


 * In some cases a large number of editors that focus on specific topics, sports for instance, have decided to come up with some guidelines for articles on that topic. For sports, generally, that guideline is found here. I nominated this article because I didn't think it met that criteria. I'm not especially active in the sports-wiki community, but I'm aware of that guideline.


 * As a broader rule, I think the notability guidelines are important. You can search for anything you want on Google, and often get a load of responses back. What makes Wikipedia special is that if you search for something it returns back (often) what you wanted, and also, some detailed info on that. The notability guidelines, and all the specific versions they've become, are meant to preserve that experience. After all, that's what an encyclopedia is.


 * I appreciate that you have passion for this subject, and that you believe it's important. It probably is, and probably should be represented. But that doesn't mean it needs to be in an encyclopedia. I really appreciate your enthusiasm. All of us here have had edits and articles we've added that other people haven't agree with and we've lost them. But most of us have had more of our contributions kept. I hope you keep contributing, because I think you'd be an asset here. If you want to mix it up on the actual criteria for inclusion, I hope you do so. I know I have from time to time. There's a lot of debate here. So if you have any generic questions feel free to ask me. I haven't changed my mind on this specific article, but I hope you'll appreciate my reasoning and explanation. (I've copied this to Bladezuvsteel's talk page). Shadowjams (talk) 08:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 04:41, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * Delete. Does not meet WP:HOCKEY/PPF --Smashvilletalk 17:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:12, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to meet WP:ATHLETE in that they have not played professionally or at the highest level of amateur competition. Also fails WP:HOCKEY/PPF. Bladezuvsteel if you can show us that he played professionally in the minor leagues then he will probably meet the requirements like Jason Saal you mentioned above. However, none of the major hockey databases such as hockeydb.com show that he ever played professionally. Since he was only a university player who never won any major awards he simple does not qualify for an article. -DJSasso (talk) 20:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Please note here WP:ATHLETE and WP:OUTCOMES - particularly for sports for the latter.  He may have been good, but good doesn't always mean WP:N passes. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 21:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Massive fail of WP:ATHLETE, WP:V and WP:N. However much pro scouts allegedly thought well of him, he seemed to be oft-injured and played only thirteen games of college hockey.  There is only a single G-News hit for "Shaun Quinlan" + Terriers, a 1964 Harvard Crimson game recap mentioning him in passing.   RGTraynor  23:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete – I did my own Google News search for just Shaun Quinlan, and the only article that mentions him appears to be the same one RGTraynor found. Given what the page claims about him being scouted by NHL teams, it surprises me that there is no real coverage of him in news sources, since college hockey is very popular in the Boston area. The article meets none of Wikipedia's notability requirements as it stands now, and I don't see how it can be established.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 03:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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