Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shave ice


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No consensus for a particular action has arisen in this discussion. Only the nominator opines specifically for deletion, and subsequent users have varied opinions. Discussion about a potential merge can continue on an article talk page if desired. North America1000 06:36, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Shave ice

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This article is a poorer quality recreation of Shaved Ice. The two even share historical examples and pictures. I'm really at a loss as to how this has evaded AfD for this long. Timothy Joseph Wood 19:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "Shave ice" is a specific type of shaved ice local to Hawaii. Keep but eliminate references to other forms of shaved ice. Pkalmar (talk) 19:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Shaved ice already addresses both the transmission of the food to Hawaii, and Hawaiian variations on how it is served. If all the extraneous content and removed, seems like what's left is going to be a 2-3 sentence uncited article. The single paragraph treatment of the subject on Shaved ice is actually more specific/descriptive than the article. Timothy Joseph Wood  19:48, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:07, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hawaii-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:07, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Shaved ice. "Shave ice" is a valid search term and is the commonly used name for it in Hawaii. --MelanieN (talk) 20:15, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep agree with Pkalmar that "Shave ice" appears to be related to "shaved ice", but is not exactly the same thing and used almost exclusively in Hawaii. The numerous references that come from sources in Hawaii are enough to establish notability. ArchieOof (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment while I am sympathetic to deleting or redirecting this article to shaved ice, we also have snow cone and piragua (food), and sno-ball, which are all articles that are essentially about regional variations of the North American style of shaved ice. I don't see any information in any of them that really merits its own article outside of the main article. The information in each article seems like it can be pretty easily condensed into bullet point paragraphs in shaved ice (or already has been). The main article also contains non-North American variants of desserts that seem to be of a different style than these, which I think are an entirely different discussion. My gut says that the thing that makes the most sense is to redirect all the North American variations to the main article, merging any additional content that could add value.  If this is not the case, however, then I think the Hawaiian variant should be kept because the consensus would be that regional variations of shaved ice are notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep As mentioned above, it's not the same thing as shaved ice and a merge/redirect is unwarranted. Distinct regional varieties of food merit their own articles rather than a merge with the main one if they satisfy WP:GNG, which in my opinion this does. Smartyllama (talk) 14:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge with Shaved ice, where the article can clearly explore the retional variations.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.