Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shawn Tellus


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The result was   delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Shawn Tellus

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Contested PROD - no reason given. Footballer fails WP:FOOTYN as he has not played at a fully-professional level of football. Lack of any significant media coverage means he also fails WP:GNG. --Jimbo[online] 15:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --Jimbo[online] 15:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Maltese football is not fully pro and he has not played internationally, meaning he fails WP:NSPORT. There is insufficient coverage for him to meet WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 15:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I am Shawn tellus and i can confirm that i am a professional footballer in the country of MALTA. I have played at international U21 Level with my country MALTA 23 Games, Maltafootball.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xon268 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - As far as I am aware the footballers assigned to Maltese Premier League teams are professional footballers, and I would challange anyone to suggest otherwise, all the clubs in the division are professional clubs, so surely with that in mind, their players must also be professional Stew jones (talk) 12:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This link (which is used as a source at WP:FPL) explicitly states that the league is semi-professional... or at least it was back in 2001. This forum post written at the beginning of the month says it used to be fully professional, but now most players are semi-professional. I'm trying to find a bit more reliable than a forum post though. By fully professional, we mean the players are full-time employees of their clubs, whereas semi-professional players receive a smaller wage to supplement their day job. &mdash;BETTIA&mdash; talk 13:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This news story confirms Tarxien Rainbows are a semi-pro team, while the sports editor of the Malta Independent says "In Malta, the clubs still work on a semi-professional basis although, in my opinion, it is closer to amateurism. What Valletta are proposing – to turn the club into a professional entity – is something which must be commended. ". That pretty much confirms it as far as I'm concerned. &mdash;BETTIA&mdash; talk 13:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The issue is not "is Maltese football professional"; that is irrelevant. The issue is does this person meet the WP:GNG and absent anyone showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" then the answer is a resounding "No he does not". Mtking (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete The league is not fully professional (see here - "...Maltese football is not fully professional..."), so he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Number   5  7  13:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per the sources above. The Maltese league is semi-professional, therefore the subject fails WP:NFOOTBALL and there's no evidence he meets the general notability guidelines. &mdash;BETTIA&mdash; talk 13:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Argyle 4 Life  talk  17:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG as the subject lacks "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Mtking (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just to counteract the personal testimony above claiming that this is a fully professional league, I'll give my own personal testimony that a close family member of mine has played as an amateur in the Maltese league system, and confirms that he would have been able to carry on playing as an amateur, training in the evening after his day job, if his club had been promoted to the premier league. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
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