Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shawn Welling (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Shawn Welling
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This biography has been deleted several times, through means other than AFD, over the past few years, but the subject appears to have repeatedly re-created his own biography. As it stands, none of the sources appear reliable, and the subject appears to fall seriously short of our standards for inclusion. Hopefully, a conclusive AFD can resolve the question of whether or not this subject warrants inclusion, so that (barring a significant increase in his notable activity) we can deal more quickly with further edits and re-creations. AGK [•] 18:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * weak delete Coverage looks marginal, (medium depth coverage in 2 marginal sources) and has probably been maxed out due to how hard someone has worked to keep this in. North8000 (talk) 19:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:41, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete It appears that the primary claims for notability for Welling are his "award winning" movies and his "world-class" choreography. To evaluate the awards there is a debate as to if the awards are actually notable awards. People seem to take two views of the notability of the awards. One line is arguing that it is a notable festival, so the award is notable. The other argues that regardless of the notability of the festival, there are too many awards for a single award to be notable from that festival. This is a fairly easy point to resolve. If the fact that Welling got the award is actually notable, then there should be reliable independent coverage of such award. If we can turn that up the point will be resolved. To this point several of us have been looking (and it appears quite hard), yet have not found independent reliable source coverage of him receiving any awards. Let's find those instead of debating it in theory. Regarding his "world-class" choreography, let's use the same test. Let's find independent reliable source coverage discussing him (not discussing the troupe he started, as that would be excellent material for an article about the troupe, but not about him as notability is not inherited). The material that has turned up so far about his choreography has been mostly non-independent selfpubs - be it links to his own website, or links to businesswire that display a press release he issued. After several editors (including me) searching hard to try to find the independent reliable source coverage last time around to address the two potential sources of notability, it appeared there are simply not enough significant reliable source coverage sources to establish notability of either the awards (which appear to be among several hundred given at that festival), or the "world-class" nature of his choreography. I have searched again now, which is several months later and things have not changed, hence my !vote for delete. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete notability is tenuous at best. The article cites two sources by Nick Nicholson, who apparently has some association with the subject per evidence presented in the last AfD. There are two citations to C-47 Houston, which is some sort of local magazine for the film and TV industry in Houston and isn't terribly impressive. That leaves this, which is an account of the experiences of the author at some dance company owned by the subject and contains very little information about him. There are other sources out there, of course, but I don't think there's anything that would demonstrate notability. This site as an extensive interview with him, but as they accept user-submitted content I don't think it's worth anything. The version sent to AfD before reported that he won an award at the WorldFest film festival in 2007, but (according to their website) so did 924 other people. Hut 8.5 18:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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