Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shawnee Hills Wine Trail


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Shawnee Hills AVA. this is confusing. There is a delete consensus, but the nom has then asked for a merge. Merge needs to be read as "keep and merge". I'm basically going to redirect this to allow that merge, but next time don't bring a merge request to afd JUST DO IT! Scott Mac 21:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Shawnee Hills Wine Trail

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Non-notable tourist trail whose only purpose seems to be as a WP:DIRECTORY for largely non-notable wineries. The one single reference in the article is a tourism wine guide which only references the existence of the trail and certainly doesn't devote WP:SIGCOV to the topic. The claim that it is "the oldest wine trail in Illinois" is unreferenced with only Wikipedia mirrors parroting the claim. But truthfully, even then, being the "oldest wine trail" is not really notable since wine trails themselves are not really notable (notice the lack of article on the subject). Instead, the relevant wine trail info that has significant coverage by reliable sources are usually covered in articles about the wine regions themselves or about the "wine country" like Wine Country (California). Now prior to this AfD, I did try to salvage some of the relevant material by merging it with the Shawnee Hills AVA but was reverted. With only commercial and travel sites/blogs for online searches and nothing offering WP:SIGCOV to further develop the article, I just don't see how it can become anything but a listing and WP:ADVERT for largely non-notable wineries. AgneCheese/Wine 23:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete but allow redirect to Shawnee Hills AVA. This would be similar to what we did with the Connecticut Wine Trail, moving it into Connecticut wine.  That wine trail has way way way more coverage than this one.--Milowent • talkblp-r  03:04, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, probably even Speedy Delete as G11: "exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic". WP:COATRACK about Shawnee Hills AVA, just like the invented "driving trail" itself, which is just a highlight marker run over multiple(!) routes from the nearest Interstate exit to local businesses.  Wikipedia is not a travel guide.  Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages.  Same guideline calls out this topic specifically: "non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations, such as ... Restaurants specializing in food type X in city Y", which is pretty much what this article is.   Not even worth merging; it's just a very small business association calling itself a "trail" for marketing reasons. --Closeapple (talk) 08:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and Redirect to Shawnee Hills AVA. There is no need for a separate article on the "trial". -- Whpq (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin If consensus continues towards delete, I would like an opportunity to again merge some of the relevant info on the wine region into the Shawnee Hills AVA. The creator has recently added new info with an Economic impact section but that is about the wineries impact on the wine region and is not really exclusive to the "driving trail". I'm not sure why the author is neglecting expanding the wine region article and instead focusing on this WP:COATRACK. Well actually, maybe I do know. Probably because the wine region article wouldn't include the WP:ADVERT WP:DIRECTORY listing by name in the Wineries section complete with driving instructions on WP:HOWTO get there. But again, there is some referenced material that is worth saving with a merge so it's an option worth considering. AgneCheese/Wine 21:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
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