Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ShayTards


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The arguments for deletion (mainly sourcing concerns) outweigh the arguments for retention given, and the rough consensus leans toward deletion. --MuZemike 02:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

ShayTards

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ShayTards is not notable except that it is "very popular" on youtube. Shay Butler (ShayCarl) himself may be notable as he helped develop the Maker Stuidos production company and has himself been in multiple financial magazine articles due to his success, but his ShayTards channel itslef is not notable and this article is not a replacement for Shay Carl's article. Sources only confirm random stats in the article but do not show why these stats are notable.  ~ [ Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  19:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment / ref review All but three of the references can be immediately discounted regarding wp:notability. YouTube pages, their own website etc.   Of the remaining 3,  2 I think make no mention of them, and the third (Forbes article) would count towards wp:notability. North8000 (talk) 21:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:34, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: Shay Butler is notable, move to that if necessary.--Milowent • hasspoken  05:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, the existence of this from 2009 should be noted, Articles for deletion/Shaycarl, which I felt was a no consensus situation but was closed as delete. I saw that the ShayTards article popped up later on, among other iterations about ShayCarl, I believe, no matter how many times someone tries to delete them.--Milowent • hasspoken  05:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - The problem has always been notability. When the Shay Carl article was deleted many times over, he was not notable at the time.  In the past years, he has gained notability (at least in my eyes).  My concern is that this article is attempting to be a gateway for Shay's notability when the "show" itself has none.  I absolutely agree that the ShayCarl article should be the place to put this information, and even have a section about his SHAYTARDS channel.  But to do that, you will need to create an Article for Creation article and build it up to show that Shay Butler does indeed have the notability to have ShayCarl reinstated.  I'm for that process 100%.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  06:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think some of the problem is that Wikipedia's notability guidelines are based upon old media concepts. The Shaytards channel on YouTube just crossed 1 million subscribers. That's more people than view most television shows. But somehow, shows like this are ignored by the old media outlets that we rely upon to write articles about these people. It doesn't mean that they aren't notable. It just makes it harder to write an article. If you have to get rid of the article to follow the rules, I agree with the comments above about Shay Butler being a better fit, but ultimately they are both very well known. Illinois2011 (talk) 17:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:NN web content about WP:NN individual. See Articles for deletion/Shaycarl. Toddst1 (talk) 19:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Just want to clarify that where I agree the web content is not notable, the deletion discussion you reference regarding the individual is over 2 years old. It is my opinion that Shaycarl (Shay Butler) has obtained notability in that time.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  20:34, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - it may certainly be a popular web series, but unfortunately, without secondary reliable sources it is impossible to write an encyclopedic article on the subject. I could find none.    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 22:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and Move to Shay Butler. I'm not sure why this is a deletion discussion instead of a move discussion. Even the nominator doesn't seem to be arguing it should be deleted; just that ShayTards is a worse name than Shay Butler. --Qwerty0 (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Not necessarily. This article is, in fact, about the ShayTards and not Shay Butler, specifically.  Shay Butler is just the creator of the webseries ShayTards.  If this article is in fact moved to Shay Butler, the entire article would have to change (and not really easily), that's why it's not a question of Move, but this article should just be deleted and a new article about ShayButler should be created if there exists enough reliable and secondary sources to warrant it--perhaps in the Articles-for-Creation area--and have it approved before creation (due to the mass times ShayCarl, Shaycarl, Shay Carl, Shay carl, Shay Butler, etc etc, have been deleted).  There is clearly not enough sources in this article right now to warrant a move.  The information here does not show notability for ShayTards or Shay Butler. This discussion is about the deletion of this article.  I just go on tangents sometimes.  The Shay Butler article has the potential to become an article since I believe he has notability now, but I just don't have the sources to make one.  And this article does not have them.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  00:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This seems a bit of form over substance, you could probably rework this article into a 3 sentence stub about Shay Butler and move the article in the time it took you to compose that comment. :-) --Milowent • hasspoken 00:11, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

internet killed television is less popular than shaytards and that's on74.34.105.58 (talk) 14:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)