Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/She's So California


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. One (talk) 00:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

She's So California
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I really can't find any evidence that either of these songs is sufficiently notable for its own article. If neither merits an article, then why have a disambiguation? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 19:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 20:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I (usually) wouldn't create an article on a song that didn't reach the top 10. Sometimes I do though, but they'd usually be no lower than 15 or 20. "She's So California" was a #24 hit for Gary Allan in early-2009, a slow climber, and his first single to miss the top 20 since "Lovin' You Against My Will" in 2000. I originally intended not to create an article on the song due to it's #24 peak, and so I created the article as a redirect. However, when I found a source for the song at Country Universe.net, I decided to create an actual article on the song. However, despite the source being there, the article was redirected back to the album article. I only created the page because of the source. I undid the redirect on "God Must Really Love Me" (which is still in it's thirties on the chart, a #31 peak right now) because of the same reason, I found a source on it. And is the article(s) good regardless because there's enough sources to warrant one? I still keep an eye out on a song's chart position though, and whether it would be notable or not before creating an article. If a song's a top 10 I'll create an article on it. An 11-15 song maybe, but I usually think first. A 16-20 song unlikely, unless I find a source on it or if the song's singer is very popular. Below top 20 not really, unless I find a source on it. A current single, usually if it's high enough, specifially a top 40. That's usually my (unofficial) method of creating song articles. Anyway, I created that song's article because I found a source on it, and yet it was still redirected. I can probably understand why though. Ryanbstevens (talk) 21:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete--sorry, I don't understand what Ryanbstevens is trying to say. What I do see is that a disambiguation page for two non-notable songs is useless. Drmies (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, I concur with the Nom & Drmies.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 23:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. In short, i created a page on "She's So California", and "God Must Really Love Me" because i found a source for both of them. It's good regardless if there's a source for it. I do however understand why "She's So California" was redirected, and nominated for deletion. Do you understand it now Drmies? Ryanbstevens (talk) 02:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, since what's under discussion here is a disambiguation page, not an article, or two. Whatever the history behind this dab page, it's moot now, since it does not disambiguate between articles. Drmies (talk) 14:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, i created an article for Gary Allan's version because i found a source, but it was redirected by another user. Then it became a disambugation page. I did not create the disambiguation part of the page. I had no part in that. Ryanbstevens (talk) 03:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. Here's the fact. This didn't start out as a disambiguation page. This started out as an article for Gary Allan's "She's So California". Despite the sources, it was redirected due to non-notability. Then eventually, this became what it is now, a disambugation page. However, i know what this discussion is about, and let me say that this disambugation page shouldn't exist because it's just too short, or that as mentioned above, neither song was a big hit.
 * There's a similiar disambugation page for songs called "How Was I to Know", which there were two of as well, one by John Michael Montgomery, and the other by Reba McEntire. Neither are related. That disambugation page exists, and will remain because both songs were big hits, one a #1 hit, and the other a #2 hit.
 * However this one about the two "She's So California" songs, since Adam Gregory's version was only a #19 hit in Canada in 2006, and Gary Allan's version was a #24 hit in the United States in early-2009, there shouldn't really be a disambugation page for these two songs unless they both have articles. One of which i have created before, but redirected by another user. I'll revert this page back to it's original form when i created it. We'll see what happens then. Ryanbstevens (talk) 22:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I undid the rebuild of the article for now, mainly because you removed the afd tag and there were other editors voicing a simple deletion. I think a good compromise would be to move the 9513 and Country Universe reviews of "She's So California" to a subsection on the Living Hard article. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 22:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Weak Keep A subject doesn't have to be notable to warrant a redirect. Neither song is notable, however, either could arguably warrant a redirect to the album. Since there are two different songs I can see justifying a disambiguation page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


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