Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheep Tag (Warcraft III)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Most "keep" arguments were made in ignorance of Wikipedia's inclusion policies. Sandstein (talk) 07:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Sheep Tag (Warcraft III)

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Non notable scenario for notable game. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 04:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This article is really good.
 * Keep.This is actually a very popular game in the Warcraft Scenario games. It would be ranked 4 behind Defense of the Ancients, Footmen Frenzy, Elimination tournament.  It has also had 5 years of game development and has had several tournaments other than the world cups described in the wiki page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaVERICKShEEP (talk • contribs) 04:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)  — MaVERICKShEEP (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Sheep Tag is one of my favorite games on Warcraft III. It has a constant growing community of players, who's map design is being monitored by GosuSheep, who has spent years developing the game and creating a League, Annual World cup as well as internationally uniting gamers from USA to Europe 1000's of players play it. There are multiple forums and tutorials as well as Youtube videos about Sheep Tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandAznDawg (talk • contribs) 04:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC) — GrandAznDawg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I agree with Maverick. Sheep Tag was/is one of the most popular games on WarCraft and they have a entry for ANOTHER mini-game on it? That isn't very fair. Sheep Tag has many tournaments, some in which you can earn money. There are dozens of clans, also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.101.29 (talk) 04:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC) — 68.104.101.29 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Do you have any statements which provide information to the effect that there are sponsored tournaments? That would go a long way toward asserting notability.  Celarnor Talk to me  06:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sheeptag is one of the first custom games that ever came out on Warcraft III, it was originally bigger then Defense of the Ancients (D.o.t.a). It is a memorable game to alot of users within the Warcraft community and is still being played throughout the majority of realms on Battle.net. There are many forums dedicated to this custom game and many youtube videos created on showing off one's skill within the game. I personally think this section should be created and remain that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.1.252 (talk) 04:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC) — 124.191.1.252 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete Boy, the socks are out tonight. It doesn't MATTER if you think it is fun.  I think the Myth II WWII mod was fun.  that doesn't mean it gets an article in wikipedia.  It gets an article in wikipedia if it is notable, contains verifiable information from reliable sources and can allow the article to be written in a neutral point of view.  Otherwise, it should be deleted. Protonk (talk) 05:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. No notability asserted in reliable sources.  Most of the keep !votes this far have been ILIKEIT.  Celarnor Talk to me  06:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete no reliable sources. Custom maps, game mods, and such are not generally notable anyway.  Most of the article is just trivia and junk, such as a long list of "clans". Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  11:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Someone was saying that you do not have game mods or whatever, then why is there an article on [DOTA]? Which is another custom game for Warcraft. This custom game deserves a page on wikipedia! --Kekek1 (talk) 12:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

No google book hits for dota. There are only 3 mentions of the game in google scholar but are only used as citations. Those 3 articles are about Warcraft as a game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.232.214.19 (talk) 16:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete due to verifiability issues and lack of reliable secondary sources no hits on Google news, google scholar and google books. No good hits on google as most of the websites that I encountered where either blogs, personal websites, youtube and myspace. By the way, DOTA garnered hits on both google scholar and google news so my searches on those engines are valid.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sheep Tag used to be one of the most popular games for warcraft, if not the most popular. The community is still large and if someone want to know what Sheep Tag is, wikipedia should be a way of finding that out. InvalidArgument (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 16:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not the only way to find sources; look at the References section of the DOTA article. It's been covered in newspapers like the Philippine Star and reputable gaming magazines like Computer Gaming World. Those are the kind of souces that are needed to meet the notability guidelines. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Sheep Tag should be on Wikipedia, because it is a notible Community. Although a game it might be, many people grew up playing this game, and lived through it. This comminity, although dwindling, still exists, and should be viewed for what it is. More than a game, a "village" if you will, of people from all over the world, coming together with one goal, to have fun. Many people playing have put over five years of their life into this game, Why does five years of work and five years of living not deserve to be "notible" ? I emplore you to search your hearts, and keep Sheep tag inside Wikipedia, because the community deserves it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.20.2 (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as above due to verifiability issues, lacks reliable secondary/third party sources to establish such. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * keep This is a very popular game on WC3 and the community is great. People who want to join this community, and start playing this game, should have a place to go to read about how this game works, and what it's all about. And that's where Wikipedia comes in. Deleting this simply because there are no reliable sources would be like deleting a self-biography made by george W bush because he didn't use any sources. it makes no sense. We players of this game ARE the most reliable sources you will ever find. And that's where it stands. This is a perfectly justifiable article that should be kept on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.135.140 (talk) 19:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it would make sense for us to remove an autobiography of George W. Bush, as it would not be written from a neutral point of view. You need to read Reliable sources and No original research and reassess your comment.  Pagra shtak  19:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as I cannot find any independent reliable sources for the subject to establish notability. By the own admission of some of the contributers here, the best source for this article appears to be original research, which Wikipedia does not allow. Per Verifiability, "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." This seems to be the case here.  Pagra shtak  19:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

note I do not know too much about this mod, but if you refer to the reference no.2, the British or european website, gave out 20 British pounds to a tournament winner in 12/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.232.215.238 (talk) 19:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Pagrashtak summed it up perfectly. -Seidenstud (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong delete All of the talk about how popular this mod/concept is, and no reliable references to support it. Something smells fishy here. This seems to be blatantly non-notable. Randomran (talk) 20:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Sheep tag is still known widely around the world by Warcraft III players. Although it is not as popular as it once was, it is still active in every server on Warcraft III. There is a community that has worked and played hard for nearly 7 years to play the hell out of sheep tag and try to keep it alive. We even have 10 hours sheep tag parties on the weekend with some the best sheep tag players. People are not as in to it as they were before because the skill level required to play it has skyrocketed. I went to a gaming convention where there were some Warcraft III melee pros playing, and I was playing sheep tag with a friend of mine. They instantly knew what the game was and when they watched me play for a little bit, they yelled in surprise how good I was and how high my APM was. I may have even converted a player that day. The point is, Sheep tag is a very fun game, and when theres a chance for a new player to arise, and they want to learn more about the game, Wikipedia should be a place to find this information. After all, on our forums, we get hundreds of posts per day. -GosuSheep —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.129.49.65 (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * People simply knowing about it isn't enough, though. The community has to meet the verifiaibility and notability guidelines, which means it was talked about in reliable sources such as newspapers or major gaming websites, and none of you who want to keep the article have yet show that it does. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 02:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete no independent coverage; fails WP:N, WP:WEB and WP:TOY and therefore should be deleted. Percy Snoodle (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The game is widely known and certainly notable internationally. There are forums (e.g. stwc.bb2.org, www.clan-behh.com) that are extremely active; in addition to tens of thousands of results for the game on Google. The game even has a presence in well-known independent gaming servers and international gaming portals such as the Garena gaming platform (www.garena.com), which features dedicated Sheep Tag rooms. In my opinion, this certainly establishes the notability of the game.140.180.22.63 (talk) 09:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * None of those are acceptable under Reliable sources. That page and Verifiability explain why, and also explain what are acceptable sources. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 09:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article does not have any third party reliable sources such as magazine reviews, news articles etc to assert notability or verifiability Gazimoff Write Read 11:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with Defense of the Ancients as Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne modding or as a section of Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. There's a press mention or two of the broader topic of Warcraft III modding, such as E-Commerce News.  Sheep Tag and DotA don't seem to be individually notable, but the broader topic of Warcraft III modding does.  Also, a Google news search on "Warcraft III modding" indicates that some press coverage of this topic might be non-English -- any German readers able to help out? Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 12:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Defense of the Ancients is notable enough to be a Featured Article, so has enough content to stand on it's own. I would caution against such a merge.Gazimoff Write Read 09:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - any AFD attracting this many "keep" socks is pretty much guaranteed to be non-notable. Stifle (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable sources to establish notability means delete. --Captain-tucker (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.