Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheila Joan Smith Professor of Immunology


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  10:00, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Sheila Joan Smith Professor of Immunology

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Notability is not WP:INHERITED merely because its two holders are bluelinks; non-independent sources are from within the department/university. Reywas92Talk 04:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The nomination is boilerplate, makes no reference to notability guidelines, and provides no evidence that the nominator has tried searching for sources as WP:BEFORE requests. Nevertheless my own searches turned up nothing in-depth and independent enough to contribute to a pass WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Please AGF, it is really necessary to spout "Does not meet GNG", "Can't find sources" in every nomination? Yes, I searched and did not find anything. No, I'm sorry I apparently did not search as hard as you did on the Bolivar one – thanks for the note about using "chair" instead. Now if only creators could before search for sources beyond those not WP:INDEPENDENT of the topic when they create pages. Reywas92Talk 08:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:LISTN, as two or more people with enwiki articles have held this chair. ミラP 21:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hogwash, there is no free reign for automatic notability of separate articles for any concept for which you have two bluelinks. No part of LISTN states this utter fabrication. Which "independent reliable sources" "discuss [it] as a group or set"??? Reywas92Talk 22:37, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not necessary, WP:LISTN says, emphasis mine, that this is just [o]ne accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable, and that those that fulfill recognized [...] navigation [...] purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. And please take it to only one AFD at a time. ミラP 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "Two or more" bluelinks is not a navigational purpose superseding any expectation for independent sources covering the topic. You are twisting these words, which link to Manual_of_Style/Lists and clearly reduces the need for sources for pages like outlines and lists of lists, not for bestowing an article on any concept that people can theoretically use to move from one article to another. Forget the GNG and all the rest, right? It has two links, call it a list, and it's good – AFD or even ATD be excepted! We've got List of University of Cambridge people if you want navigation, or School of Clinical Medicine, University of Cambridge if you want navigation, not independent-significant-coverage-free pages. Reywas92Talk 23:36, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. The chair is defining, and, altho it is new, and was formerly a perosnal chair, everyone there will always either have a wp article or be entitled to one. In practice, that makes a list worthwhile.  DGG ( talk ) 03:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Question Who was Sheila Joan Smith? The first reference doesn't work for me (the archive link is to an error-message page), and the second is uninformative. I'm not convinced that a list of two people is actually useful for navigational purposes; we have those "previous / succeeded by" kind of templates for that. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 15:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:10, 30 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Who is Shelia Joan Smith? Given the name "Smith", I was doubtful I'd find anything, until I tried Google, and:   "The sum of US$650,000  received rom the American Friends of Cambridge, representing a benefaction from Dr Herchel Smith for the endowment of a Professorship in the field of medical studies, shall form a fund called the Shelia Joan Smith Profesorship fund." from p.669 of Statutes and Ordinances of the University of Cambridge 2004 [via Google books.]  and, from the 2009 Statutes and Ordinances of the University of Cambridge, I see several endowed studentships, fellowships, and lectureships in the name of Hershel Smith ,and also an endowment for the Herchel Smith Laboratory of Medicinal Chemistry.,   .   There's a bio of Herchel Smith at , He's clearly very notable, and in fact, see our articles  Herchel Smith Laboratory for Medicinal Chemistry and Herchel Smith Professor of Pure Mathematics and , of course, Herschel Smith.  from one of the refs there "Smith died on Dec. 20, 2001, at the age of 76. His wife, Sheila, predeceased him.... ."  There's proof of the connection from [ http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/reporter/2001-02/weekly/5889/4.html] "The Vice-Chancellor gives notice that he has accepted with gratitude a most generous bequest, expected to exceed more than £45m, under the Will of Dr Herchel Smith, M.A., Ph.D., Sc.D.(Hon.), Honorary Fellow of Emmanuel College, who died on 20 December 2001. During his lifetime Dr Smith made benefactions to the University currently valued at more than £15m in support of medicinal chemistry and intellectual property law, including funding for four Professorships, the Herchel Smith Laboratory of Medicinal Chemistry Fund, and the Sheila Joan Smith Research Fund. ..." I will add this to  the article.   Google and WP are co-dependent.  DGG ( talk ) 07:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to List of Sheila Joan Smith Professors of Immunology: it's a named chair at one of the most well-known universities in the world, so its existence and membership is easily verifiable, but the topic itself doesn't seem to be the subject of in-depth coverage in any reliable source, so it can't be a normal encyclopedic article at this point. --Slashme (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


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