Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheldon Riley


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 00:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Sheldon Riley

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BLP of a model and contestant in singing competitions that does not pass WP:MUSICBIO. Mccapra (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep: I think the nominee failed to do a before check prior to this nomination. The article is in definite need of improvement, sure, but the artist is definitely notable (despite not being well known). Sean Stephens (talk) 15:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well if you’ve found sustained in depth coverage in reliable independent sources could you add it to the article please? The Rolling Stone one as the only one that looked decent in the article and I didn’t find anything else as solid. Mccapra (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple I found, , , , , , , including this Billboard article also (apologies if there are any here that are already in use, I haven't checked). I will aim to improve the article later today when I have the chance. As anyone tried pinging the original author of the article? Sean Stephens (talk) 01:55, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Another Billboard article also. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding these I’ll take a look. The article creator was a blocked sockpuppet but the main contributor was notified, yes. Mccapra (talk) 03:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok this is what I make of these sources:
 * 1. Doesn’t load for me I’m afraid.
 * 2. This source is in the article. I don’t think this can be treated as a reliable source. It describes itself as “Talent Recap is created and run by fans, for fans.”
 * 3. Same source as 2.
 * 4. Also in the article. This is an interview with him, not a piece independently written about him.
 * 5. Also in the article. Independently written, but basically tells us what a fan said in Twitter (that Riley had previously entered contests) so not very substantial and really part of the publicity froth generated by the show.
 * 6. A passing mention, not in depth coverage
 * 7. Passing mention.
 * 8. (Billboard piece). Yes, independent, but what does it tell us? That Riley got three yeses from the judges and made it out of the auditions in AGT.

This is all run of the mill coverage for talent contest singers. There are thousands of artists who have this kind of coverage. In fact Riley doesn’t have great form in contests as the article describes. Coming third in AGT was by quite some way his best result. To me the Rolling Stone article is still the only solid piece of independent reporting about his artistic work rather than chatter about who he’s going out with, fancruft or stuff that is really publicity associated with the tv show. Mccapra (talk) 04:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 April 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete I don't see anything to meet WP:GNG and rebuttals by are reasonable. Jeepday (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:21, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom, fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:MUSICBIO. More sources are needed but insufficient reason to delete the article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment thanks for finding those. One is an interview with him and the other repurposes the same jnformation in non interview format. I agree they carry some weight but I still don’t think this passes WP:MUSICBIO. Mccapra (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This getting a bit desperate now. You’ve added his role in a school play and a table which shows two singles that never charted. Mccapra (talk) 02:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. The school play is part of his Personal life, which describes his upbringing. I've seen such content in other articles about performers. As for the table for two non-charting singles, see here: it was already in the article when you nominated it for deletion on 23 April. My first edit on this article, on 11 May, was almost three weeks later, I did not add that table.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes my apologies I was wrong about that - not sure how I got that idea. Mccapra (talk) 04:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


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