Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheldon Wong


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Sheldon Wong

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Delete because there is no reliable coverage about this person in sources, films, music, or books. Achievements credited to person are not sufficient in scope to warrant an article here on their own. No photographs exist of this person. This man leaves little or no trace of his existence. Fails "Notable" policy and "Sources." "Verify." Like Ronald Reagan said, "Trust but Verify." Fail. Deceptobot67 (talk) 19:25, 10 December 2013 (UTC) — Deceptobot67 (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Wiki brah (talk • contribs).
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 * Delete. Lack of photos isn't relevant, but no solid independent sources are presented.  Note that this page was tagged for G5 deletion (the AFD, not the article) because Deceptobot is a sock of a blocked user, but I've declined it because I'd like to see this article at AFD, so there's no real point in deleting it and immediately recreating it.  Nyttend (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Huh? There are eight references in the article. For a start, what makes OlimpBase (used as a source in many Wikipedia articles and one of the major chess databases on the Internet) non-solid and non-independent? Toccata quarta (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I hate to see anyone accede to the request of a banned sockpuppet, even if they think he may be "right", as this encourages him to continue his trolling, harrassing, disruptive behaviour. Next time perhaps speedy the original request, wait a few days, then raise your own Afd? Also the alleged lack of photos besides being irrelevant is verifiably false; photos exist, just no free ones we can use. MaxBrowne (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - this is a real, verifable person, but just not notable enough. Bearian (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. Wong's notability is somewhat niche; in Jamaican chess circles he's something of a legendary figure and still talked about. Here's a recent reference in Jamaica's major newspaper. MaxBrowne (talk) 00:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

*Delete. No sources. No notable. The author of this article needs to familiarise himself with Wikipedia policies. Holistic stan (talk) 22:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC) — Holistic stan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (striking blatant sock. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:25, 12 December 2013 (UTC) )
 * Note - The nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Wiki Brah. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not very notable, but being a national chess champion is surely a notable achievement that is verified in the sources. While WP:ATHLETE does not have a separate entry for chess, a look at the sports that do have an entry shows that winning the senior national championship is typically held as sufficient. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:08, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Neutral. A weak keep maybe. A national champion, but from a small country with few chess players. I believe he was exceptionally talented, winning the Jamaican championship at 16 and defeating at least two master level players at the 1976 World Junior (Nir Grinberg and Marcel Sisniega). He did all this with no coach or trainer; obviously the Jamaican Chess Federation lacked the infrastructure to hone his talent. His US Master title is not very notable and wouldn't warrant an article in itself. The question, then, is whether his strong early promise warrants an article. I'll let the concensus process sort it out. MaxBrowne (talk) 11:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 05:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.