Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheng-yen's lineage chart


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 13:08, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Sheng-yen's lineage chart

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Family lineages of holy people, however descended from important figures they are, do not belong on Wikipedia. Eat me, I'm a red bean (take a huge bite) 08:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Buddhism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - indiscriminate collection of trivial information. -Zanhe (talk) 23:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Nominator does not understand what this article is. It's a Dharma transmission lineage, not a family lineage. This topic is discussed in many of Sheng-yen's publications, but also in independent sources, e.g. 1 2 3. Compare to an article discussing the apostolic succession of Roman Catholic bishops or a list of the Kings of England.--Samuel J. Howard (talk) 16:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Trivial information, Shen-yen is neither the Pope nor the King of England. It is of guru-shishya interest only. This is one of many articles like it that document the religious lineages of Buddhist figures created by the same user that has no use. Information about their dharma lineage, if notable, would be included on the article of the religious figure. Ogress smash! 02:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 22:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge into Sheng-yen. Nothing in the article suggests why the lineage itself is notable.--Rpclod (talk) 02:20, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep or have as a collapsible element in the main article. It is no different from any succession chart. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge into Sheng-yen. There is a difference between a family tree or political, regnal or papal succession and a "spiritual transmission" of a dubious nature — see Lineage (Buddhism) for what it's about.  —Мандичка YO 😜 19:44, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - while apostolic succession is well-documented for Popes and Primates, this dharma lineage appears not to be well-documented. It's a virtually unsourced list of mentors and mentees.  If somebody could, very quickly, add sources, and explain thier significance, I'd be willing to change my mind (please, no Zen jokes).  A selective merger ("smerge") would be OK by me. Bearian (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I voted delete but I honestly ask: documentation would suffice to make you change your vote to notable? I ask because several other similar lineage charts were deleted as there is already a central Zen lineage charts page (NOT up for deletion) that lists, with citations, that covers until at least 1600. The more recent dharma transmissions, it seems to me, should be left to individual pages as there are many, many modern Zen masters (in the inclusive sense of Chan, Seon and Thien) and they mostly all talk their inka on their wikipages anyway. Until about 1600, the lineage charts are sort of semi-mythological. Ogress smash! 20:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.