Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shep Unplugged


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The result was redirect to Shep Messing. North America1000 22:18, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Shep Unplugged

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Nothing on ProQuest, Google News, or Newspapers.com. "Shep Unplugged" + "Shep Messing" turned up nothing but Wikipedia mirrors on a regular Google search. Prod and redirect both contested. Given the complete lack of literally anything verifiable, possible WP:HOAX. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Generic ex-athlete analysis halftime segment.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:45, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shep Messing per StarMississippi per WP:CHEAP and preserve history.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 17:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to redirect because there is literally zero confirmation that the show even bears this name. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:12, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete agreed, no sources found. Oaktree b (talk) 23:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not remotely a hoax, but nor is it notable. Redirect to either Shep Messing or the Red Bulls. Star   Mississippi  14:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried redirecting, but someone decided they didn't like my redirect, so here we are. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also what proof do you have that it's not a hoax? I found literally nothing but Wikipedia mirrors. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Here it is on the Red Bulls' site and on MSG. They host a halftime show, which doesn't happen to be notable but hoax has an entirely different meaning. Star   Mississippi  17:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither of those sources uses the name "Shep Unplugged" for the show though. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * which still doesn't mean it's a hoax. A hoax would be if Shep Messing didn't host a halftime show on MSG. He does, along with every other athlete as @Mrschimpf said. Star   Mississippi  17:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't confirm the title of the show. I've found literally no sources whatsoever verifying the title of the show. "Shep Unplugged" + "MSG" gets six hits on Google, all Wikipedia mirrors. It shouldn't be this hard to verify the freaking name of the show. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:11, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * My guess is it would be on MSG site or possibly Red Bulls' media guide, the latter of which does not appear to be online that I've found. But there's no reason not to redirect it to his broadcasting work, which is verified to BLP standards. Star   Mississippi  19:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Why merge something we literally can't verify even exists under the alleged title? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shep Messing (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Deletion policy. Preserving the history will allow editors to do a selective merge to the target article and to undo the redirect if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources about the subject. Cunard (talk) 05:30, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't even verify the show exists, so I don't think a redirect is warranted. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shep Messing. Clearly not a hoax. Having a redirect and history under a name we haven't completely verified is preferable to deletion. ~Kvng (talk) 13:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What proof do you have that it even exists? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See the sources found by above ~Kvng (talk) 18:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * and @Skynxnex's below as well. We have verified the show existed. No one is arguing the sources reach notability (they don't), but the show exist/ed. Star   Mississippi  18:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, since when is a blogspot blog a RS? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It isn't for notability but it verifies that a program under that name existed which is the issue you are utterly bludgeoning this discussion with. But I'm done debating with you since you're clearly not arguing in good faith anymore when it says " MSG.com's Video Library (Check out Shep Unplugged, a recap of the Revs match" A blog verifying that network coverage under this name existed is not "joe schmoe's personal blogspot"? Do better Star   Mississippi  20:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The sources you found do not mention the show by name. The only "blog" I found verying the show's name is the Blogspot link shared by Skynxnex below. Are you really going to accept the blog Skynxnex found as evidence? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not find the word "Unplugged" ANYwhere in this source or this source. Are you seeing it somewhere that I'm not? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I also get zero results on google for the phrase "MSG.com's Video Library". Where are you pulling THAT from? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shep Messing or Red Bulls (anchored or not). The evidence I've found is a New York Red Bulls fan blog post from April 2008 that mentions it, (archive: ): MSG.com's Video Library (Check out Shep Unplugged, a recap of the Revs match, and more). Sadly, it appears that MSG Networks pretty completely have lost/scrubbed basically all content from before ~2018 but the original Wiki article seems earnest enough plus the non-Wiki sourced blog post makes it seem to have existed. Skynxnex (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So some joe schmoe's personal blogspot is a reliable source now, huh? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shep Messing. There's definitely enough circumstantial evidence to prove that this thing existed, but at no time should it have ever been labeled as notable, and the fact it falls in the 2000s (the pre-social-media, few-live-websites-today "dark ages" for this type of search) does not do any favors. I submit a forum post from 2008: He has also been the lead analyst for the MetroStars and the re-branded New York Red Bulls of Major League Soccer for several years. During these broadcasts, Shep hosts a segment during halftime entitled Shep Unplugged. Shep is usually outspoken during this segment about league issues and global soccer news. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 17:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, because a forum is totally a reliable source. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shep Messing. Who cares if it's a HOAX or not. It's a redirect. Anyone who thinks that it exists will search for it and will simply be directed to a person who does exist. Pure deletion might just allow someone to recreate the article. Donald D23   talk to me  17:36, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to a target that a.) doesn't mention it and b.) objectively cannot mention it, because no sources exist to verify IT EVEN EXISTED. That makes PERFECT sense. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there anything that you won't argue? Donald D23   talk to me  20:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What is there TO argue with "a blogspot blog is not a reliable source"? It's in black and white in WP:SPS. So why are we arbitrarily waiving it here? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The argument would only relevant if someone wanted to keep the article. All current discussion is towards delete or redirect. ~Kvng (talk) 21:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see a point in redirection if there is objectively no way to mention the show in the target. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Shep Messing and preserve history. Redirects are cheap. Agree with Nate, Sammi Brie and Donaldd23. Don't WP:BLUDGEON me, thank you.  starship .paint  (exalt) 07:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Shep Messing You can find the videos of the guy around and watch them yourself if you bothered looking. I found him mentioned here http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2007/07/conflict_of_interest.html with a comment statement about his "unplugged" segment.  I believe it was a real thing.  Not enough information for a standalone article so just redirect it.   D r e a m Focus  04:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.