Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shepherd's Hill Farm


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  07:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Article on Christian remedial education org. in Georgia. Source appears to fail WP:ORG. The Interior (Talk) 23:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep  this is a high school level program, and all high schools are notable. I added a 3rd party source.    DGG ( talk ) 00:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, if all high schools are automatically notable, so be it, although this is a pretty borderline "high school". It's basically a treatment center for 18 months maximum, where the teen-agers get high school lessons while they're there. It's accredited by the Georgia Accrediting Commission, not under "Schools" (either public or private) but under "Educational Agencies with Special Purposes". And really, someone needs to take an axe to the puffery in this article. It's a pretty blatant advertisement and most unencyclopedic. Actually, someone tried and was soon reverted by an anonymous IP . Voceditenore (talk) 00:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Schools. Voceditenore (talk) 00:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I should have more precisely worded it as that all high schools are treated as notable to avoid discussing thousands of them and keeping almost all of them. A high school for troubled students is a school for special purposes, but no less a high school for that.  DGG ( talk ) 01:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not the "special purposes", I'm querying. It's that the Georgia Accrediting Commission calls it an "Educational Agency" and does not list it under schools. Voceditenore (talk) 01:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - The school claims that in addition to its short programs it offers year around schooling,; even offers the ACT and SAT. Even if it is not accredited in the normal sense, it seems to still be something of a legit school, even if it is not the traditional type. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - If there is a concern about the article being in violation of WP:NPOV because of WP:COI, that should be addressed separately. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree that neither COI nor NPOV issues are relevant to a subject's notability. I was mentioning it parenthetically. I've rescued several truly dreadful COI articles (far worse than this one) from AfD. However, I'm still not convinced that every single establishment that offers high school courses of some type (including commercial "crammer schools", "wilderness therapy schools", etc.) should be treated as de facto notable. So I'm remaining neutral here. Voceditenore (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely no attack on you was meant ... the COI stuff is a genuine pain in the butt because it makes it difficult to determine if there is genuine notability or if it is someone gushing over the place. For the record, I agree with you.  I would have likely recommended delete, if there hadn't been a year round component that seems to be somewhat regular boarding school.  I fully agree that short term schools, treatment centers, etc are not necessarily notable. LonelyBeacon (talk) 18:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a valid organization that should find a place in Wikipedia. Some others want it deleted because they don't like the organization and its religious stance, but that is no reason for deletion. 166.128.21.158 (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Dave Bolthouse
 * Above comment moved from Talk by The Interior (Talk) 22:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Telephone number and email address redacted by Voceditenore (talk) 10:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I strongly urge you to make your argument based on the notability criteria. Accusing people, without strong evidence of religious bigotry is not appreciated around here.  If you really think that is a problem, I urge you to initiate a discussion with that individual, and if needed, report them to an administrator for action. LonelyBeacon (talk) 23:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete The tradition here is that high schools are notable, and I support that tradition. But this is not a high school. It is a treatment facility, taking in "troubled teens" for maximum of one year . It does not seem to offer diplomas (that seems to me to be a key requirement for a high school) and the state school accreditation site lists it as "ungraded". If it doesn't fulfill the requirements for an "automatic keep" - and I believe it doesn't - then it has to establish its notability under WP:GNG, and by that criterion it appears to be completely non-notable. The only sources found at Google and Google News are blogs (some promoting it, some slamming it), but no Reliable Sources at all. --MelanieN (talk) 05:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete As per MelanieN, this does not qualify as a high school (and therefore as an 'automatic keep'). It's accredited as an "educational agency" not a school, is ungraded and does not offer diplomas. The fact that it administers SAT and ACT tests is irrelevant. So do American consulates overseas. That doesn't make them high schools. Given that, it needs to pass WP:GNG or WP:ORG. At the moment it clearly fails to do this. One article in a local newspaper is not enough. Willing to change my mind, if more reliable, non-trivial, independent sources are found. But I've searched pretty exhaustively and have been unable to find any. Voceditenore (talk) 11:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't support the tradition, but even if I did I'd still say delete on the basis that this isn't a school. In any event, the tradition is subservient to accepted notability standards - GNG and CORP - and this school or whatever it is fails them all.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.