Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ✗ plicit  04:10, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Shez

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May have sources offline, but just failed a BEFORE search. I don't expect an article to be finished, but we all need to expect biographies of living people to be immediately referenced with reliable references. I tried to draftify, but was reverted. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 03:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 03:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 03:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep. There are no unreferenced/unverifiable facts. Multiple award winning poet, wikilinjked in wikppedia. Plenty of sources in Hebrew.  The article is in progress. P.S. IMO it is a  bad attitude to nominate minutes after the article started. One could have started at least with "notability" tag Loew Galitz (talk) 03:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Loew Galitz Unfortunately, we literally don't time any time with regards to references with biographies of living people. I tried to draftify the article so you'd have additional time to put in sources (including non-English ones), but you reverted me. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 04:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please indicate the statements which need references. Please cite the policy about "any time". Loew Galitz (talk) 04:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Loew Galitz The policy about "any time" is here. We have no time to have sources.
 * As for the statements needing references: being gay would need a reference, as would being a victim of incest. Just off the top of my head. Anything that could be defamatory if untrue would need to be sourced; it's better to err on the side of sourcing said statements. Also the fact that she's notable (that is, she has been noted by others) would need to be sourced. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 04:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please specifically indicate WP:BLP violations. Loew Galitz (talk) 04:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Once again, everything is referenced. Loew Galitz (talk) 04:13, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * the fact that she's notable (that is, she has been noted by others) would need to be sourced - Huh? Never heard of such rule. What about WP:GNG and state awards? She was noted by Israel Prime Minister. Is that not enough for you? Loew Galitz (talk)
 * Keep. If the nominator is concerned about WP:BLPSOURCES, there are plenty of tags they could have used instead. There are sufficient sources already in the article (hewiki has more) such that we don't need to delete per WP:BLP. As far as notability goes, the subject won a notable literary award: Prime Minister's Prize for Hebrew Literary Works. That very likely indicates NAUTHOR #3 or #4. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: article appears well sourced, and even before being brought to AfD had a source for the key facts. Was the nominator challenging that source? Not clear otherwise why an article should be brought to AfD so fast, given that there is a source and that the Hebrew wiki article appears to have several sources. That said, perhaps the creating editor should have used in use to indicate that they had not finished their initial burst of editing (yes, I rarely remember it either, but it does seem a useful precaution). Pam  D  19:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Since nomination, the article has been substantially improved, meeting notability requirements.--Ipigott (talk) 11:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:ANYBIO and WP:NAUTHOR as brought out by above editors (no need to rehash what they have said:), i know the following may appear to be condescending but what the heck.... if/when editors have concerns about a foreign-language person in this WP might be a good idea to have a look at their country/culture/language WP ie. with Shez, a quick scoot over to the Hebrew WP and we find a well developed article with plenty that can be brought back to their English WP page, if an editor is not confident to do so (who can wholly trust gtranslate anyway:)) an improve from foreign-language tag can be added to the top of the wikiarticle, oh look one such tag has been added. Coolabahapple (talk) 17:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable subject. Well sourced. Meets the professional guideline and WP:ANYBIO. Should never have been nominated or moved to the draft space. gidonb (talk) 02:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


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