Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shia view of Muawiyah ibn Hind


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Shia view of Muawiyah ibn Hind
See Talk:Shia view of Muawiyah ibn Hind. I have cut-n-pasted the explanation given there to to this page too.

I did not even know that this article existed before its creator, Striver, linked it to the Muawiya I page. The very title is a slur. It implies that Muawiya was not the son of his father, Abu Sufyan, but was a bastard. Muawiya ibn Hind means Muawiya son of Hind -- Hind was his mother.

The Shi'a view of Muawiya (which is very dim) is given on the main Muawiya page. There doesn't seem to be any reason for this article to exist, as the only material in it is a quote from Maududi, who is a Sunni, not a Shi'a. The title is irrevocably POV, the subject is covered, the article has no content. Zora 03:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete controversial and or tag for expert to clarify. Either way, poorly written and seems not notable.--MONGO 03:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Also an article which starts off with Main article: ... is bad in itself. Anything noteworthy can be merged into Muawiyah I &mdash; squell 12:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Belongs in main article. Possible POV fork. Turnstep 16:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. 'X view of Y' articles exist to push POV, therefore not encyclopedic. Facts in main article. --Squiddy 21:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a POV fork, in Wikinfo's style. Thing is, we're not Wikinfo. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment This particular user has established a whole roster of Shi'a-POV articles. I think several of them were put up for deletion, but kept. Can I submit the whole dang Shi'apedia he has created for deletion? There are at least eight articles that start with "Shia view of ..." (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam:The Shia Guild) Zora 23:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * On that page, it is stated that they want to create pov articles; seems incompatible with NPOV. I think it is important the Shia view gets accurately represented in the main articles, for the same reason we don't want Protestant view of Mary, the mother of Jesus. There is no Shi'apedia though, there are also "Sunni view of X" articles (e.g. Sunni view of Ali). IMHO, these should all be merged. squell 12:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The "Sunni view of ..." articles were created by the same Shi'a editor and consist of inaccurate, strawman statements of the Sunni position, followed by Shi'a "refutations". They are grotesquely POV. I just haven't been able to deal with these articles -- I seem to be the only person watching this editor, who makes ten to twelve new articles and perhaps 500 or so edits a day, and I can't keep up. Zora 13:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. I don't think it's rescuable to an NPOV article. Stifle 00:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.