Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shida Night Market


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The result was keep. per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure)  CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   00:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Shida Night Market

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Non notable place. L3X1 (distant write)  23:35, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:32, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:32, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete - night markets can be notable (see, e.g., Carbon Market), but most are not, and this one seems to fail WP:GNG. If somebody can find better sources, I'd change my mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearian (talk • contribs)
 * Comment: Article at zh:師大夜市 (bad translation) suggests that there's some notability, either of the markets individually or of the business district that they're part of. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 10:31, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Buchan, Noah. (2008-10-04). "The faces and spaces of Shida. A mostly residential district between two of Taiwan’s premier universities, Shida offers a traditional morning market for locals and a lively night market for the university and office crowd" (pages 1 and 2). Taipei Times. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2017-03-26. Retrieved 2017-03-26. The article notes: "Spreading through the alleys and lanes that branch off from the east side of Shida Road (師大路), just down the street from National Taiwan Normal University (台灣師範大學), is a grid of street stalls, boutiques, restaurants and family-run stores commonly known as the Shida night market (師大夜市). Though it may not be the largest or most famous of the city’s night markets, it is perhaps the one that best encapsulates contemporary Taipei in all of its glitz, rapid change and frenetic activity. The Shida area has changed significantly over the past few years. Once home to mainly mom-and-pop vendors, Longquan Street (龍泉街), the night market’s main pedestrian thoroughfare, is today seeing these older shops replaced by trendy clothing and jewelry stores catering to the university students who make up a sizeable portion of the night market’s foot traffic. Though many landlords have raised rents to upwards of NT$100,000 per month for small storefronts in the lanes between Shida Road and Longquan Street, new cafes, fashion outlets and beauty salons are constantly appearing. ... Because Shida’s night market is close to a university that teaches Mandarin to international students, it is only natural that foreign restaurateurs are increasing their presence in the area. Biff’s Pitas at 9-3, Ln 49, Shida Rd (師大路49巷9-3號) makes tasty and inexpensive burritos and pitas using fresh ingredients. Walk two minutes south from Biff’s to 51, Yunhe Street (雲和街51號) and you’ll find Maryjane Pizza, which serves satisfying thin-crust pizza. There are even several burger joints, most notably KGB: Kiwi Gourmet Burgers, at 5, Ln 114, Shida Rd (師大路114巷5號), which also stocks an array of hard-to-find Antipodean beers and local microbrews. For dessert, check out Dancing Cows (搖滾牛冰淇淋), 66 Longquan St, (龍泉街66號) for its premium American-style ice cream sold in a huge array of flavors, of which I personally recommend Oreo."  The book notes: "In addition to the Shihlin night market, one of Taiwan's oldest night markets that is facing extinction or transformation beyond recognition is the Shida night market. In “Shida vendors allege development scheme” (2012), Yan-chih Mo writes about a protest by locals in response to the recent government declassification of it as a 'night market' to allow the government to open the area to bids by corporations to privately develop the real estate on which the Shida night market stands. Several city government officials and several representatives from construction companies (as well as a handful of local residents) attempted to shut down the market by arguing that their 'city rebirth' development project would bring greater prosperity to the community. As part of this rhetoric, they also argued that the night market was compromising the 'moral and environmental purity' of the area (Shida district) (2). In 'Development fever takes over Shida' (2010), an opinion editorial, the authors voiced people's criticism of the Taipei City government's intentions to close down many of the vendor businesses in the Shida night market on the basis that the vendors were violating codes and had been doing so for 'more than two decades.' The authors argue that large corporations in Taiwan routinely egregiously ignore residential and business zoning laws, and they do so with far more impunity than do local vendors. They ask why the government scrutinizes small night market vendors for illegalities while turning a blind eye to the cases of similar violations by large corporations. The reason reason for the criticism of Taiwan's night markets, as Mo intimates, is that they are located in the heart of the city on extremely valuable real estate that corporate global industrial and commercial development are hungry to acquire, and that these developers are pressuring the government to sell the real estate to them."  The book notes: "Shida Night Market 師大夜市 (shīdàlù yèshì) Taipower Building MRT Station. An eclectic mix of fried chicken, crepes, burritos, Chinese, Indian and Thai influences; most of the stalls and restaurants line Longquan St parallel to Shida Road from Lane 50 to Heping Rd. Lantern Hot Stew (燈籠加熱味; dēnglóng jiārè lŭwèi at no. 52 is the place to try lŭwèi: select meat and vegetables first, then wait while they're boiled in a tasy broth (big plates NT$130)."  The book notes: "I am well-acquainted with the neighborhood because of what the Shida Night Market has been through. It was once a bustling affair, not as big as the Shilin Night Market, but certainly a major competitor. A few years ago, developers began to buy up land around the night market and lobbied to rezone blocks to residential from commercial. The Taipei government removed Shida Night Market from city-produced tourist maps, a move that both hurt business and fulfilled the developers' allegations that the market was on its last legs. Inspectors from the Taipei Department of Health descended and shut down businesses, citing the flimsiest of excuses, including decades-old signage that was now deemed 'inappropriate' because they were too big or too small or too colorful. The writing was on the wall when the government shut down Phoenix Noodles, an eighty-year-old stew stall. The guy who operated it was known to all as 'Old Uncle' and he was a complete asshole. He was grumpy as hell and apparently ancient enough to have been the original proprietor. When I think of him, all I can see is a shock of white hair and furrowed white eyebrows. Phoenix Noodles was nearly a block long and featured a giant horizontal honeycomb of ingredients on display in a wooden and metal cansisters—some on ice, others over a fire. Fish-meal balls in liquid. Curls of dried fungus ready to unfurl. Chopped-up meats. His broths, varying from spicy to mild to sour, were hidden in vats under the counter."  The book notes: "The street market near the Taiwan Teacher's University, the Shida Night Market, is also a popular venue."</li> <li> The book notes: "The Shida night market area, which included Underworld, was originally an educational zone formed of numerous lanes, alleys, and old apartments. In 2011, the area became a place not only where most of the city regeneration cases were targeted, but also a place with the highest housing prices in Taipei. Therefore, urban public spaces were continuously being turned into private properties (Huang 2012). Not only did new residents surge in, the number of stores and shops also increased substantially. Within three to four years, the number of stores had increased from 200 to 700, with housing prices and rents rising unceasingly. The middle-class residents refused to bear their deteroriating living standards and subsequently formed the 'Shida Self-Help Assembly' (師大自救會) to push the government to clamp down on illegal stores (Lou 2011). Underworld was designated as one of these stores. ... Meanwhile, conflicts evolved within the Shida night market area and did not cease, which resulted in stores continuously closing one by one. One June 15, 2013, the landlord of Underworld could not bear the pressure from the Shida Self-Help Assembly and the public, and decided to discontinue the lease. By then, Underworld had formally passed into history, along with the legendary subcultural music scene it represented."</li> <li> The article notes: "師大夜市為台北市著名的觀光夜市，經歷過居民抗爭商家陸續移出後，現在的師大夜市商圈冷清許多，像原本平價服飾店多的雲和街，空租狀況嚴重，當地房仲指出，餐飲商家移出後，人潮驟減，連帶影響到無油煙問題的零售業，續租率不高，商圈萎縮招租困難. 師大夜市原本商家高達700多家，但從2012年區域居民開始抗議夜市噪音、油煙問題，幾番協調下商家開始搬離，人潮驟減，中信房屋大安新生加盟店店長戴龍祥表示，餐飲商家向只能在師大路、龍泉街之間的商業用地開業，租金行情每坪約在5000~1萬元，因知名餐廳撤出後，人潮多少受到影響，不少攤販轉型為店面或異國美食等，盼商圈復甦."</li> <li> The article notes: "新北市知名的永和樂華夜市營運45年，如今卻因附近居民不堪人潮湧入、雜音、油煙以及交通受阻，恐將吹熄燈號，外界擔憂樂華夜市下場可能會跟當年同樣經歷住戶抗爭的師大夜市一樣「回不去了. 」 今日出刊的《聯合報》報導，過去師大夜市擁有許多美食店家，學生、上班族甚至是國外遊客都很喜歡來逛，全盛時期約7百多商家營業，但經過居民衝突後，目前僅剩下3百多家，當地龍泉里里長龐維良表示「大家都以為師大夜市不見了！」"</li> <li> The article notes: "以師大夜市聞名的師大社區因商家違規在住宅區營業，上月遭北巿府發函要求遷離，由數百家業者組成的「守護師大商圈聯盟」昨號召約三百人表達訴求；發言人柯裕佑說，店家願改善油煙、污水等設備，盼巿府不要趕盡殺絕，並一度跪地求市府給一條生路. 但北巿府強調，將依法執行. 師大社區在一九九五年劃定的商業區僅約一公頃，區域內可經營餐飲、服飾業，但近五年店家快速往周邊住宅區擴張，面積擴大到十八點五公頃，店面數也從數十家急速膨脹到六百四十七家，店家入侵住宅區導致居民飽受噪音、油煙、髒亂困擾，去年十月居民憤而組成自救會，要求市府整頓違法店家，市府上月針對七十家業者發出第一批遷移令，要求店家遷出住宅區."</li> <li> The article notes: "師大夜市和公館商圈同是北市知名商圈，也僅差捷運線一站的距離，命運卻是大不同. 師大夜市現在人潮明顯減少，店租也下修5∼10％；公館商圈8月初開始試行徒步區，雖然有店家抗議，但業者透露，對商圈發展是項利多，未來店租可能調漲. 過度擴張居民抗議 師大夜市因緊鄰台灣師範大學、捷運台電大樓站，交通便利、人潮流動頻繁，曾是北市熱門商圈，但因商家過度擴張，周邊居民不堪其擾，2011年底發動抗爭，使店租原本每坪1萬元起是稀鬆平常的行情價，現在很多跌落至每坪不到5000元. 台灣房屋師大和平特許加盟店副理游舒彰表示，師大路39巷以南、雲和街以北　龍泉街以西和師大路圍起的街廓屬於商業區，可合法經營店家. 不過當地業者透露，現在租金已經漲不動，一漲價、業者寧願搬走，僅剩可合法營業的區塊月租金每坪尚有8000∼10000元的行情，其餘區域可能每坪3000∼4000元."</li> <li> The article notes: "No.8 師大夜市 因位於臺灣師範大學旁而得名，是北臺灣地區1990年代興起的商圈，後一度擴張成所謂的師大夜市，旋因住宅區居民訴諸居住正義、對油煙與噪音等公害的群起抗爭，而擺脫以餐飲為主的典型夜市樣態. 現在的師大夜市已經變成小資女的逛街買衣服的選擇逛街地方之一，師大夜市慢慢從美食林立變成服飾業居多的商圈，那現在師大夜市還剩下哪些美食呢？網路上常推薦的是這兩間美食，好好味冰火波蘿油外酥內冰的菠蘿油，配上店家推薦的絲襪奶茶，幸福的好滋味；至於隱身在夜市巷弄中20多年的許紀生煎包也是老饕們排隊也要吃到的生煎包，皮薄內餡多價格實在是他火紅的理由."</li> <li> The article notes: "Taipei Mayor Hau Lung-bin (郝龍斌) announced yesterday that no further expansion of the Shida Night Market, one of the city’s busiest tourist attractions, would be permitted, in a bid a protect the rights of residents. In addition to the expansion ban, Hau also instructed officials to ensure businesses in the area stick to strict management regulations and carefully screen new business applications. Hau’s decision came after strong opposition from local residents, who accused businesses in the area of adversely impacting their quality of life and staged a demonstration on Oct. 26. ... Tax revenues from the night market near National Taiwan Normal University totaled NT$12.3 billion (US$408.6 million) in 2009, rising to NT$14.7 billion last year, figures from the Taipei National Tax Administration showed."</li> <li>Yan-chih, Mo. (2012-03-21). "Taipei softens stance in night market crackdown. FLIP-FLOP: A proposal to establish a points system for assessing businesses' performance would only lead to more confrontations with residents, a borough chief said" (pages 1 and 2). Taipei Times. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2017-03-26. Retrieved 2017-03-26. The article notes: "The Taipei City Government yesterday softened its stance on illegal businesses in Shida Night Market, saying it would only target vendors that seriously violate noise and air pollution regulations. Businesses set up in alleys less than 6m wide, which violate a Taipei City urban planning bylaw that prohibits the operation of restaurants, retail stores or service--related businesses in small alleys, can continue to operate if they do not violate other regulations, the city government said. “The city government will not demolish Shida Night Market. Our priority will be to deal with vendors that seriously violate regulations,” Taipei Mayor Hau Lung-bin (郝龍斌) said at Taipei City Hall."</li> <li>Frazier, David. (2012-07-25). "Travel writers warn Taipei City: Destroying Shida is a 'stupid move'" (pages 1 and 2). Taipei Times. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2017-03-26. Retrieved 2017-03-26. The article notes: "By killing off Shida’s cafes, international restaurants and culture spaces, is Taipei shooting itself in the foot? Several international travel writers contacted by the Taipei Times seem to think so. They say the move makes Taipei look bad and compare the current situation to a crackdown by China’s Communist Party. ... Lonely Planet lists Taiwan as one of its “top 10 countries for 2012,” and the latest Taiwan guidebook rates Shida as Taipei’s second best night market, after Shilin. ... New York Times travel writer Matt Gross says that in recent visits to Shida, he found that “there was just so much going on there, from the crazy variety of international restaurants (including multiple worthy burger joints) to the effortlessly hip boutiques. It had the energy of Ximending, but with a more homegrown, grown-up, honest feel to it.”"</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Shida Night Market to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 23:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC) </li></ul>

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss Cunard's sources
 * Keep per Cunard. -- do ncr  am  10:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:42, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep already meets WP:GNG per Cunard.--Skyfiler (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard. He's done an impressive amount of homework on this and it does meet WP:GEOLAND, for districts -- which is essentially GNG for neighbourhoods-- or WP:GEOFEAT, if considered a commerical development, which again, merely directs us back to GNG. A bona fide member of Category:Night markets in Taiwan. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, thanks to the sources revealed by Cunard, it is clear that this article should be retained. Antepenultimate (talk) 00:53, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


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