Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shigefumi Hino (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Convinced by the labor and arguments of and. Feel free to dispute or re-nom if concerned after making efforts to improve. Thank you! Missvain (talk) 18:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Shigefumi Hino
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I believe the subject fails WP:BIO. He's certainly mentioned many times in many articles, but none seem to do more than mention him. In addition, a large bulk of his mentions are simply reporting on an interview published on Nintendo's official site. Other coverage includes him in teams of Nintendo employees, in group interviews or as listings of credits for work on games. Yoshi is certainly a notable creation, but as a member of a team of artists, his status as "creator" is certainly shared with others to a large extent. There are even articles documenting how his creation of the character differs drastically from the final product. In addition, the concept of the character was by no means wholly his (see link 2), leading me to believe that in addition to a lack of significant coverage, the subject fails WP:ARTIST. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. The coverage I see, some of which predates the one interview that got a burst of attention, discusses Hino's role in Yoshi's creation and how it changed from his original design. Even if the design be drastically different, that would not hurt Hino's notability as long as sources cover those differences. (Here's a start for anyone wanting to expand the article.) He was also the co-director of the Pikmin series, for which he received additional attention, and which hurts the case for turning this into a redirect (there is no reason why this should become a redlink, which ultimately means AfD is probably the wrong venue for concern about this article). Chubbles (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Thanks for discussing. My take on the article you linked and others I found was that the article's subject is not Hino himself. The one you linked, for example, interviews him (and others) in the context of a project he worked on (SMW 2), but does not really contain info about him personally or his creative process outside discussion of the development team as a whole. This info seems more appropriate within articles on those specific games. I look forward to seeing what others think, as I was on the fence about this one for a couple of weeks before posting it. Skeletor3000 (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think he needs to be the explicit subject of the article, as long as his role is discussed substantially. And if Yoshi is the subject of an article and he is discussed in relation to the character's creation, I have long held that coverage of a creator's creations is coverage of the creator (and have always been confused by arguments to the contrary). Chubbles (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep he was the co-creator of the "Yoshi" character, although don't ask me what that is. What I do know is there are dozens of Gnews sources and many mentions in books of this fact. He has therefore met both things mentioned in WP:ARTIST part 3" "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." if a German news site thinks enough of their creation to translate an article about it into German (also mentioning the article subject), the "work" is well-known. The coverage is also in multiple languages; Belgian news site lesoir.be says "Créé par Shigefumi Hino, le gentil dinosaure prénommé Yoshi était une brave bête qui a conquis le cœur de bon nombre de joueurs." I don't read Thai, but this quote tells me that a Thai news site also knows who Hino is: "หรือเป็นเพียงแค่การชี้นิ้วสั่งแบบในหนังสือคู่มือที่ถูกวาดออกมา เพราะเมื่อเราดูในเกมแล้วมันเหมือนเอามือทุบหัวมากกว่า ซึ่งก็มีคนสงสัยเรื่องนี้ได้ถามไปยัง Shigefumi Hino คนออกแบบตัวละครในเกม Super Mario World ที่ได้ออกมาเปิดเผยว่า สิ่งที่เขาคิดตอนออกแบบเกมนั้น Mario ต้องทุบหัว Yoshi เพื่อให้มันแลบลิ้น". Italian media knows about him too: "All'atto pratico, Yoshi doveva essere una semplice cavalcatura utile a Mario per superare gli ostacoli più insidiosi; eppure, nell'originale design di Shigefumi Hino erano già racchiusi tutti i tratti che avrebbero poi reso quell'animaletto una mascotte formidabile." The article may be lacking basic biographical facts and in-depth coverage about the actual life of the artist, but WP:ARTIST #3 means that even those who keep their private lives hidden are notable, if they create a well-known body of work. I did add four sources to the article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Subject of article passes WP:NARTIST, based on research and rationale of and . Netherzone (talk) 04:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep An artist of documented accomplishment.NotButtigieg (talk) 12:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


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