Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shihan Dan S. Soller


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The result was Delete. GlassCobra 17:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Shihan Dan S. Soller

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Non-notable karate practitioner. Seems to assert notability based on "commitment to his students," founding of a non-notable karate organization, and being traveled. Declined SPEEDY so listing it here. Redfarmer (talk) 20:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Shihan Dan S. Soller is founder of the Phoenix Karatedo Association, Kyokushinkaikan, an international karatedo organization comprising nearly a dozen dojos scattered throughout the world. His original instructor was Kancho Raymond Elmore, and Elmore's original instructor was Hulon Willis, a pioneer in the proliferation of Kyokushin Karate in the United States. nidanesquire, 1-6-08 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidanesquire (talk • contribs)
 * Notability is not transfered. He must have notability in his own right and not assume he's notable because of who taught him. Redfarmer (talk) 20:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete There are a few things that might prove notability, but upon investigation they don't go very far. The karate is not notable enough, and I could not find much in the way of academic notability save a few biography pages - I do not think (as the article asserts) that combining two non-notables make a notable. Gaffertape (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete (as the admin who declined the csd), I find that the Phoenix Karatedo Association has a pagerank in the top 12 for Top/Sports/Martial_Arts/Karate/Kyokushin/Organizations, and there seem to be numerous non-trivial sources for the organization to establish its notability, so it seemed to me that the founder of such an organization would be notable.  However, this webpage seems to indicate that the claim that Soller founded the organization is actually false. So unfortunately all that is left would be any assertion under WP:PROF, which here isn't thick enough to make a broth. JERRY talk contribs 12:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Shihan Dan S. Soller is founder of the Phoenix Karatedo Association. The Association itself is a direct outgrowth of the Elmore School of Karate; Shihan Raymond Elmore was Shihan Soller's original instructor, and, in an act of respect for his instructor, Shihan Soller named Shihan Elmore as the Phoneix Karatedo Association's first Kancho - i.e., Chairman. Shihan Soller assumed the title of Kancho upon the death of Shihan Elmore in June, 2006, an action that is not unusual among traditional styles of karatedo. -nidanesquire, 1-7-2008

Hulon Willis did found the Phoenix Karatedo Association. He was Kancho Raymond Elmore's original instructor, and Kancho Elmore was Kancho Dan Soller's original instructor. Thus, the Phoenix Karatedo Association grew out of the ryu - i.e., school - originally created by Hulon Willis, but it was not founded by Willis. The Australian Webpage linked above is inaccurate in this regard. -nidanesquire, 1-10-2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidanesquire (talk • contribs) 04:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


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