Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shimmer Volumes


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Shimmer Volumes

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Article is a list of all the DVDs produced by the Shimmer wrestling federation. One event, if major (such as a PPV), might be worthy of an article, but not every DVD release. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
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I see this page was marked for speedy deletion. Shimmer Women Athletes is pretty unique in North America, being an all female wrestling promotion with annual iPPV's and 5-8 live events a year. It is sustained primarily on DVD sales which is how most of its fans watch the shows. Many of the talents that appeared in Shimmer went on to perform in TNA/Impact/GFW and WWE (as well as other shows like Lucha Undergroundand the recent "GLOW" remake on Netflix) and the first champion there is now the head women's trainer for WWE. The page is a handy place to find the match listings, champions, etc, for the promotion going back to the beginning. We have pages for all the title holders and main event results for WCW, ECW and WWF going back in time, so why not something similar for this unique promotion that is relevant to today's wrestling and streaming tv? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.175.184 (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * Delete. Not notable to list every DVD release. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:26, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think a relevant question would be if this was a list of shows, would it still be AfD? If so, fine. If a list of shows rather than DVDs is what would be more notable, then the article can be saves. Lee Vilenski(talk) 10:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * CommentGood question. There have been 99 Volumes (96-99 were recorded this past weekend). It takes about a year for a volume to appear on DVD. 1-25 are also sold as streaming (plus the handful of iPPV shows recorded outside Berwyn, IL). But all of the Shimmer shows are considered "Volumes." Volume 1 & 2 have been released together as a DVD set but it's not listed there (same content as the individuals). If it's that big a deal, I say rename/reclassify it, don't delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.92.223 (talk) 15:47, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:00, 20 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep with caveats I hate the article and the way it is setup. Detailing releases going back 12 years is way too much for one article to handle. That said, the "Shimmer Volumes" subject may be notable and could be covered in a more encyclopedic way. If we decide that we should include tables of match results, maybe we should break it down by year (i.e. 2005 Shimmer Volumes, 2006 Shimmer Volumes, etc). I would recommend expanding Shimmer Volumes to give include more background information once the tables are moved to new articles.LM2000 (talk) 06:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree on this one as above. I'm pretty sure Shimmer results could be considered notable; so the idea of important results, or show match results per year is better in my liking. Lee Vilenski(talk) 09:46, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:15, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - This appears to be a notable promotion with a number of releases. I do not believe this should be a list with every result of every event. It should be converting into prose and discuss the series with highlights of key events. -  Galatz Talk  14:44, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


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