Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shimmy (song) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Anyone is welcome to create a redirect to Toxicity (album); I have not done so because it doesn't seem to be the sense of this discussion. Stifle (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Shimmy (song)
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Not released as a single. Unable to find reliable sources that indicate notability of song, beyond mention that "Shimmy" was in Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4. This information is already covered at Toxicity (album). The rest of the stub-article for the song is an interpretation of lyrics. Radiant chains (talk) 08:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. No awards, no chart, no covers, no WP:RS. As pointed out, nothing to warrant a stand alone article that already isn't in Toxicity (album).   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 12:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Toxicity (album). (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 13:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC))
 * No Deletion The song is also the shortest on the Toxicity album, a popular song amongst System of a Down fans, and has been referenced to interpretations of the lyrics. There are hundred of songs on Wikipedia that our merely stubs, and of less notability than Shimmy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodknight (talk • contribs) 19:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see the page on reliable sources. LyricInterpretations.com consists solely of user-submitted content, and is therefore not a reliable source. Radiant chains (talk) 20:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Toxicity (album). There are two factual claims here; both are already in that article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  —-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa  Chord 2  10:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Article should remain The song is notable enough to have its own page; refer to my previous arguments. If this were to be deleted, hundreds of other song stubs would have to be swept out as well. There is no reason to have it deleted.--Ryo (talk) 09:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What previous arguments? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 10:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and would possibly also have to be deleted is not a valid reason to keep this article. Spiesr (talk) 19:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're going to try and use the WP:Otherstuffexists rationale, be sure that you understand it. I'll quote from its wiki page "When used correctly though, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes." Therefore, if you're going to cut Shimmy (song), then be consistent and address every other song stub which does not contain enough information nor seem notable enough across Wikipedia. Unless you can address this issue to the full extent, you cannot delete Shimmy; its simply about consistency or a lack thereof on your part.--Ryo (talk) 03:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's consistency you want, the vaaaaaaast majority of non-single one-off songs are redirected to their albums. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 03:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 *  Reasoning behind allowance Perhaps I have not been clear enough, but there are several reasons as to why the song itself is notable enough to remain. The song appears in Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 game soundtrack, (a popular volume). It is also the only song under 2:00 on the very popular Toxicity, and is a frequent discussion on the largest unofficial online System of a Down fan page and forum. I am currently undergoing more research and investigation of the song's notability.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodknight (talk • contribs) 04:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Songs are licensed for various things all the time; this is a trivial fact that can be mentioned in the album article, when it bears mentioning at all. As for being the only song under two minutes on Toxicity, not only are X and Bounce under 2:00, but it's an arbitrary quality of no particular importance even if true. As for Soadfans, I daresay there isn't a track they haven't discussed at length, based on perusing the forums. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Correction: I meant shortest song on the album, not just the only under 2:00. Regardless, its worth mentioning. Your opinion that the note of Shimmy's presence in the game soundtrack is 'trivial', is, as a reminder to yourself, your opinion. Any licensing of a song in a source of popular, well-spread media, is certainly worth mentioning. We're discussing notability, and Shimmy's inclusion on the album of a popular, long-running video game series, is not 'trivial', but a point of notice; raising awareness of the song through the game. I will accept that Soadfans has perhaps discussed many songs in depth, but Shimmy has received more than average coverage, representative, (not only through Soadfans), that it is a popular song amongst the fan community.
 * On another note about Shimmy's wiki page, lyrical interpretations, which have been deleted, are present in multiple other tracks (System of a Down included) many of which I can provide. System of a Down does not provide the meanings of the songs, as a rule of theirs, thus, any of the interpretations are based from fandom and research. If the Shimmy interpretations (which are sourced to reliable fan sites) are not permitted, than all System songs (and many other bands) must be purged of them.--Ryo (talk) 04:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, any of this, if sourced, would go in the album article nicely. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.