Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shinano Grandserows


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman 20:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Shinano Grandserows

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Was deleted in Feb. Doesn't appear to meet WP:CLUB or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 13:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * It's unclear why the Shinano Grandserows article should be deleted, when all of the other teams in the Route Inn BCL (Baseball Challenge League) have existing articles. The team is a member in good standing of the league going on eight years now, and has employed a number of players with accompanying Wikipedia articles. The league itself is a legitimate independent baseball league that has been running since 2007 and this year expanded to eight teams. A good number of players from BCL have moved on to play for Nippon Professional Baseball. I've also added some more citations to the Grandserows article to demonstrate its notability -- stoshmaster (talk) 17:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Stoshmaster, as said previously, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not relevant in an AfD, but some of those articles seem to meet WP:GNG and some do not. Boleyn (talk) 19:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep Fully professional baseball team. Alex (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, are you sure? The Route Inn BCL article describes it as an 'independent semi-professional baseball league.' Boleyn (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * People who don't know anything about baseball seem to think minor league teams are "semi-professional". But they're not. The Baseball Reference Bullpen calls it professional, and I'd trust that source more than the Wikipedia article. From the Grandserows website: "BC LEAGUE is one of the biggest independent professional baseball leagues in the north central region of Japan". Alex (talk) 21:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have left a longer comment at the AFD for another team from the same league. As a question do you think player payments of about US$10,000 per year (up to a maximum of $15,000) make it a professional league? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not appear to be a fully professional team, and thus fails the WP:CLUB criteria. The same can probably be said of all the other teams in that league. --DAJF (talk) 01:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete All of the coverage appears to be routine sports reporting (standings, trades, etc.). I don't see anything that shows the team meets WP:GNG. As for the "professional" discussion, I think it depends on whether you define professional as getting paid at all or as making a living. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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