Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shinhwa filmography


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 03:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Shinhwa filmography

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This article is supposed to be a Shinhwa filmography, but a lot of what's listed are individual film and TV drama roles by its members, which are already listed on the individuals' articles. Shinhwa only appeared in one film together (a cameo in one that a whole ton of groups were also in). Other than that, it's a list of variety show appearances, both group and individual, and a poor one at that as there is hardly anything listed for 1998-2011, even though the group (known as the original "variety show idols") had a huge amount of variety show appearances during that time. But regardless, it's already been established that indiscriminate lists of variety show appearances are not appropriate for Wikipedia anyway. There might be a little bit of info on here that hasn't made it to one or more members' articles, but I think it'd be easier to selectively move the info (which I'll do) instead of trying to figure out which of seven potential articles to merge it to. Shinyang-i (talk) 00:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * I don't like saying this, but yeah, "per nom", basically. Once this is properly pruned there is no reason this should be an article at all. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Merge back to Shinhwa article per being better for our readers when offered contextually in the group's article. But is incorrect. Separate filmography lists ARE allowed (IE: Tom Cruise filmography)... just not in this case.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 04:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC) Striking. My suggestion that the information be merged is meeting with too much confusion. Any editor who wishes can expand and add it to the article whenever they wish it. No need to state the obvious.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You said the same thing on every AFD discussion, and I'm confused as to where I said filmography articles aren't allowed? Just to clarify, I never said that.  I said huge lists of variety show appearances aren't appropriate.  Of course filmographies are allowed on Wikipedia and can be very good articles. :) Also, what content do you suggest be merged back into Shinhwa? Shinyang-i (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey  Schmidt,  since you misread the original EXO deletion then copied and pasted your incorrect statement to all Shinyang-i 's other nominated deletions could you please correct that statement now? It is confusingly out of context on all the pages and clearly you'er the one that is saying misinformation at this point. If you are not going to use watch notifications or check back on these discussions then you really shouldn't spamming a bunch at a time without even reading them once carefully. Thank you.  Peachywink (talk) 23:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And a lost point... a list that has specific and discriminate inclusion criteria is not "indiscriminate", but I have struck my merge. List articles ARE indeed ALLOWED on Wikipeida, (MOS:LIST, WP:LISTPURP, WP:SALAT) so any claim that they are inappropriate is misleading. Any editor who wishes can add sourced information to the Shinhwa whenever they wish. I do not have to suggest it here.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, now you've expanded your claim that I said filmographies aren't allowed to encompass all standalone lists. I'm going to go bang my head against the wall for a few minutes now, and hopefully when I return this will all be over.  Thank you. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * lol Shinyang-i I love you, stay strong.Peachywink (talk) 04:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete salvage what you can to be merged back into the main article but that is the tragedy of the older groups. Getting sources for Shinwah's early tv shows, even though they were a big deal and did so much at the time... its beyond my and I'd say most peoples capabilities to find the article references.Peachywink (talk) 04:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 10:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC) Delete and merge As per the nom's observations and various comments above, this content is all better covered in the articles for the individual members of the group; collecting it in one location here on the tangential link that these individuals happen to be in a band together is a clear case of the type of arbitrary cross-categorization that WP:WWIN advises us against.  S n o w  let's rap 00:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
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