Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shintaro Matsukura


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Shintaro Matsukura

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fails WP:ATHLETE. unremarkable career for a 19 year old, mostly competing in under 18 events and qualifying events not top level amateur events. LibStar (talk) 04:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 08:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete Success as a junior kickboxer does not show notability. No noteworthy achievements as an adult. Astudent0 (talk) 18:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He has competed for K-1 and World Victory Road as a senior kickboxer, has defeated guys such as Yuya Yamamoto. Was selected to compete in the K-1 Japan GP this year. WölffReik (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Just came across this AFD and haven't done all my research yet. However, I thought Victory Road was an MMA organization so I'm not sure how significant doing a kickboxing bout for them is.  The K-1 site said the Japan GP in Osaka featured "seven local stars" so, again, I'm not sure how significant his appearance was.  He lost both of the aforementioned bouts. Papaursa (talk) 03:33, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete I don't see notability--merely being a professional kickboxer isn't enough. He has no international fights, either by opponent or location, and he hasn't fought for any major titles.  He's only 19 so he may well become notable, but I don't think he's there yet. Papaursa (talk) 18:55, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 09:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

 Keep What if he gains a major achievement in two years time? We keep 16 year-old debutants in many sports! Why should we dispose this lad? Give him some time. Best, Umi1903 (talk) 09:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * we don't keep because it will be notable in future as per WP:CRYSTAL. LibStar (talk) 09:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, it is not, for sure. But, under your critisim, we had to delete all present time starts like Schit, Bonjasky, Le Banner, Cikatic and others, if they were rising today, prior to their major achievements. Assuming that we delete this one and the lad grasps a big occasion; then, you're going to put all efforts to recreate the article? We lose all today's data, info and make double effort to gather them together, again? As I mentioned above, there are thousands of debutants, hot prospects, future stars in many sports, so we are going to delete them, too? You Libstar, you keep misjudging the essentials of martial arts, mate. Umi1903 (talk) 10:52, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * sports stars are kept if they meet WP:BIO or WP:ATH this one clearly does not. LibStar (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Clearly"? This is totally a subjective criticism of yours, buddy. That's why your claims are personal and unmeritorious. Who are you? Vassilios Skouris or Judge Dredd? To debut in K-1 is a true example of being a notable athlete since K-1 is accepted as the top-notch martial arts competition around the World. We are not talking about a teenager footballer at nPower League 3, we mention a decent performer at a World class competition. Umi1903 (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete He's done nothing to show notability as an adult fighter yet. Anything else is WP:CRYSTAL.  Remember there are always lots of rising stars that never really become stars. 131.118.229.18 (talk) 15:32, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He is one of the most promising kickboxers in Japan (which is a very significant country in the sport), has beaten a top-class fighter in Yuya Yamamoto, and has competed in the Japan MAX Tournament (a significant event held annually). - Minowafan (talk) 17:35, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. not yet notable. "one of the most promising ..." is a synonym for Not Yet Notable. We should be very reluctant to accept student or junior awards for anything, except national champions, and based on the bio here, he's far from it. On its own merits, no demonstrated notability .   DGG ( talk ) 03:27, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: No evidence the subject passes the GNG, fails WP:ATHLETE. His alleged "promise" - for which his partisans in this AfD fail to provide any reliable sources saying so - notwithstanding, the subject has no proven accomplishments at the top level.  We do indeed have articles on teenage athletes ... the ones who've competed in national or world championships, who've competed at top professional levels or who otherwise pass the GNG.  The subject hasn't done any of these things.  Ravenswing  11:57, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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