Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shire Umbaal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 08:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Shire Umbaal

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WP:1E + article does not meet GNG, BASIC, ANYBIO or NPOL. Sources in the article and BEFORE did not show anything with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in depth, only mentions, inclusions in lists. Sources in article are brief mentions, nothing that is SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in depth.  // Timothy :: talk  06:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG, no SIGCOV in multiple RS. Mztourist (talk) 09:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The alternative name ("Shire Ambaleh" -site:wikipedia.org -site:wikimedia.org"Shire Ambaleh" -site:wikipedia.org -site:wikimedia.org) brings resources cited. No other sources are returned. As per nom,  article does not meet GNG, BASIC or ANYBIO. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added five more sources. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 12:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment What is clear to me is we either need an actual article on Darawiish or to redirect the term to the current article that covers that. Having back in the 2000s (that is before 2010) created several articles that later turned out to really overlap with other articles we already had, but due to transliteration and multiple names issues were under different titles, and having more recently accidently myself about 5 years apart created two different articles on Jack N. Gerard, one with the middle name and one without (that is embarassing), I am not going to rush in and create an article until I better understand the 1890-1920 history of Somalia. I have come to think Wikipedia has a tendency to create too many biographies and emphasize individual action, and not enough articles that cover broader social and historical phenomenon. A few times we even coatrack on biography articles, although not as bad as the 19th or 19th century encyclopedia that coat racked the history of the invasions of Germanic, Hunnic and other peoples into the Roman Empire under the article on Attilla the Hun. Of course we do not want to go to the other extreme and be like the one encyclopedia that coatracked the whole information on Isaac Newton under the village where he was born. We need all type of articles, but it seems here one on Darawiish is either needed, or someone needs to figure out if there is a different named article that covers the subject.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please check the sources that are being added against the information that is being added to the article. They are not SIGCOV, they do not support the material being added to the article. They are simply being added to puff up the article, not because they have anything to do with the subject.  // Timothy :: talk  15:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because a Latinized name is spelled different from its native name doesn't mean the two characters suddenly become different people. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.