Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirlee Smith


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is no consensus here on whether the article does meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 06:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Shirlee Smith

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Non-notable personality and seems to have only received attention recently for a few things. Books only found one result and News found a few more (first page only, Shirlee talking about controversies) while a browser search found several more results but beware several of these were written by the subject and most of them aren't significant or in-depth. Next, Newspapers Archive found two results of the same story. Highbeam also found several results but are mostly the same story reprinted (and they also mostly seem to be authored by her) and thefreelibrary found nothing. Frankly, she's received somewhat decent attention but mostly local (despite a nationally syndicated program) and not enough to cover or improve this article. It's also fair to say that a look at the edit history shows edits like these here, here and here have never actually improved the article (adding sources, wikifying, etc.) despite adding more information thus it would be better to delete. This article has been treated more like a promotional personal page or resume rather than an encyclopedia. SwisterTwister  talk  05:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I cleaned it up, cut it down and sourced it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 *  probable Keep (changing from probable keep to keep, now that I have looked more carefully at sources) I added a long, in-depth profile of Smith, Los Angeles Times, 1999 to the page.  Certainly, page still needs editing.  Some of the sources found by Nom should also be added to the page.  But I think the sources now on the page, along with those found by Nom establish notability.  E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep It would be ideal to have more resources, but I suspect it would require digging around in local newspaper archives. The LA Sentinel online doesn't seem to go back that far. LaMona (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I researched and made some changes to the article page. In the end, I am neutral. The subject is a local columnist and has some coverage like a local columnist is likely to have.  She obviously has been very active and created, or at least is very involved with, a local non-profit organization.  While interesting, I am not sure that this adds up to "notable" and that is the sine qua non of a WP article. Rpclod (talk) 11:01, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Care to comment? SwisterTwister   talk  21:01, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete One human interest story in one newspaper is not enough basis for a biography in an encycopedia. I've consistently been of the opinion that some actual accomplishment is necessary. Writing a local human interest column on raising children is not enough accomplishment. Nobody except here friends and relatiosnwould expectto find this in an encycopedia of any sort, not even this one.  DGG ( talk ) 22:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What say we redirect to Pasadena Star News.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd be open to that. SwisterTwister   talk  05:09, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep She's written several opinion columns for many prominent newspapers, and also hosts a notable show. SilverSurfingSerpant (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Struck content from confirmed sock above, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America1000 17:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This discussion was closed as no consensus, but has been reopened per a request on my talk page. North America1000 00:12, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:12, 3 June 2015 (UTC) DEMOCRATIC CLUB Shirlee Smith, head of the non-profit organization Talk About Parenting, will discuss her work with incarcerated mothers.), her non-profit I have not looked up independently, but it has been going for years. Moreover, it is  not accurate that there was only 1 article about her - (the profile in the Los Angeles Times), there is also The Root (magazine) Mother's Day accolade.  When she got her own Cable TV talk show it was a news story.  I added an alumni mag profile to source the fact that she is a UCLA grad.  But I keep thinking that there must be more coverage, local papers and black papers don't show up well on searches (witness the fact that the old Los Angeles Sentinel article that I read and added, now has a broken link), I suspect that there is stuff out there that we're not seeing.  So I continue to think this page is a keeper.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thoughts She's been a columnist for over 3 decades, during a time of newspaper layoffs, so I keep thinking someone must be reading her. She is consistently in local listings as a speaker (Claremont Courier-May 21, 2015
 * Keep per WP:SOLDIER Weegeerunner (talk) 21:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe you meant to put this at the AfD below Articles for deletion/Chowdhury Hasan Sarwardy (Indian military officer). SwisterTwister   talk  20:48, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


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