Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shiv Prakash


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  14:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Shiv Prakash

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The subject is not passing WP:NPOL. A draft about the subject has rejected multiple times, Draft:Shiv Prakash. DMySon (talk) 13:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete: There are several hundred of people on this party post. No notable post held. No election victory. So he fails WP:NPOL Venkat TL (talk) 13:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I understand your point, but another politicians equal to his stature has wiki pages, I'm providing the link of his collegue and another for his junior.
 * There are many more others. Swamiji.email (talk) 15:26, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Sir, He is in the topmost hierarchy of BJP National Organisation. BJP has only two Organisation secretaries, he is one of them and incharge of six Indian states(West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana). he is special mentioned and section on the BJP website . Swamiji.email (talk) 15:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Even BJP's Wikipedia page gave a mention to him. I'm attaching a screenshot image for the same. Swamiji.email (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Swamiji.email, what is your relationship with Shiv Prakash. Please clear it. he is not the President of BJP. What may be important for BJP may not be notable for General public and Wikipedia. No reliable source has published full length article with biography of this person? Why? Because he is not relevant for the general public. Without an election victory, he may not have an article. Venkat TL (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Venkat TL, Venkat sir, I agree with your point that he is not the president of BJP and he hasn't contested any election. But I have mentioned a few other pages that are almost on the same scale or below that(i can mention many more). Wikipedia has a uniform policy for the same category or it is on basis of the case. Anyways i'm part of the general public and a regular follower of mr. shivprakash's intellectual articles on various socio-political issues. His articles publish in Hindi newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swamiji.email (talk • contribs) 17:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Venkat TL, Venkat sir, I guess Indian Express is a reliable source. they covered a full-length biography article which i'm mentioning . With this, he has around 555k twitter followers and 100k Facebook followers which indicates his mass following. Indeed he has no base in south of india, but very popular in north indian states specially uttar pradesh, uttrakhand, west bengal, maharashtra and madhya pradesh. Swamiji.email (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Swamiji.email thank you for the link and the reply. I read the Indian express article. It covers the Bio of Siv Prakash in one paragraph only and then moved on to the main theme of the article which was the coverage of Bengal Election. It is customary to see such kind of coverage of politicians and spokespersons, and Wikipedia policy for notability demands much longer and in depth coverage in multiple reliable sources that are indpendent from the subject. Indian Express alone may not be enough. The number of followers does not mean anything for Wikipedia as the subscriber and follower count is not the criteria to create a WP:BIO. At least WP:THREE sources with in depth coverage and not paid articles will be needed to establish the notability of this person. Alternately, if he wins a state or national election, his bio can be created. I suggest you to wait for that to happen. Venkat TL (talk) 18:01, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Venkat TL, Venkat sir, Thanks for your reply. I agree with all of your points. but you are repeatedly ignoring my valid point about the pages of other politicians of the same and below his rank. Another Gen Sec Org of BJP Mr. B.L Santosh ex gen sec Mr. V satish and his junior National Sec Mr Sunil Deodhar . These people never contested any election neither they have more media coverage then Mr. Shiv Prakash. Please give a fair and transparent reply. Swamiji.email (talk) 18:26, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Swamiji.email Yes, I ignored your point about other pages because of reason WP:WHATABOUTX. Other pages need to be discussed on other deletion discussions. Existence of one does not mean others will be created. May be BL Santosh had some achievements. I dont know. In any case, here on this page, we should only discuss Shiv Prakash. If you believe that their notability is questionable, you are free to nominate them for WP:DELETION. Based on the available links and lack of detailed coverage of Shiv Prakash I believe it is too early to create his bio. Other wikipedians will also judge the article and comment here my opinion alone is not enough for deletion. Venkat TL (talk) 18:33, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Venkat TL, Venkat sir, Thanks for your reply. let's agree to disagree. But I doubt your understanding of the Indian Political system. Anyways I have one question about policy, how many media coverage articles do you want me to show, and is it contains News Channel biography video too(in regional langauge Hindi)? Thanks, Sir. Swamiji.email (talk) 18:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The number of followers, friends or subscribers one has on social media does not establish notability. The numbers can be gamed or purchased. I'm not saying that has happened in this case but they are not reliable indicators of notability. Liz Read! Talk! 01:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Liz, Hey Liz. After seeing his notability Twitter and Facebook gave him a verified account. This verification also comes under your "gamed or purchased" clause?Swamiji.email (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:NPOL, has been repeatedly rejected at AFC in the past. Padgriffin  Griffin's Nest 00:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Fails WP:NPOL. Ciridae (talk) 04:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: per above. Does not pass NPOL and lacks significant coverage to meet GNG. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:03, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


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