Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ShixxNOTE


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

ShixxNOTE

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Non-notable shareware computer program. No independent coverage apart from two user-submitted reviews on computer websites, nothing in reliable sources. See earlier deletion discussion from 2006 at Articles for deletion/ShixxNOTE LAN Messenger. Article has been written and maintained by single-purpose COI account User:Sirola, who is the developer of this product. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but I think this article is not candidate for deletion. It is notable shareware computer program which explain how desktop notes work, how you can send them across LAN. If you need independent review check Editor's Review on Softpedia site, or at Download.com. ShixxNOTE is shareware program and everybody can see how desktop notes program can be also LAN messenger. If this article is on Wikipedia more than 7 years why now again Gene93k want to delete it. Again there is some administrator who wants to remove this usefull article. Please check "Find sources" above and click on "books" link you will get 3 books where you can find ShixxNOTE program. In book "Network security assessment" (O Reilly, by Chris McNab) you will find ShixxNOTE program, also check other two books "Windows-Only Instant Messaging Clients: Xfire, Tencent Qq, S4pg, ..." and "Windows-Only Instant Messaging Clients, Including: Windows ..." • sirola (talk) 22:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I disagree that article ShixxNOTE should be deleted. If you write in Google "shixxnote" you will get about 743,000 results. ShixxNOTE program describes how desktop sticky notes can be used as LAN messenger. You can read also about Messenger Service and NET SEND command which program use if you have Windows 9x/Me/XP. Also you can find how to improve communication in any company. You can read Softpedia Editor's Review "Communication Has Never Been Easier". In ShixxNOTE article you can find out more about communication, network, sockets, port, etc. Finally this article is on Wikipedia more than 5 years so please consider this. Kind regards. • sirola (talk) 13:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Delete: doesn't pass WP:NSOFT. There are reviews on Softpedia (linked above) and CNET downloads (in the article), that isn't enough even for WP:GNG. Implication of notability, required by WP:NSOFT is missing entirely. Furthermore, the WP:COI and promotion issues stands, as the software's author made about twice as many edits as all the other contributors together. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 03:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Keep: this article is notable. If there is near one million pages with ShixxNOTE program on the Internet therefore I think program is notable. Yes I made too many edits only because I didn't click on "Show preview". But text is not changed till article was created. I only added new images. If you want I will never again make any new edit. And why now you are against this article? Deleting article which is on Wikipedia more than 5 years is absurd for me. • Ozren Sirola (talk) 10:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your arguments are those documented in Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (namely WP:GHITS, WP:VALINFO and WP:LONGTIME). At the same time, a single reliable source that doesn't belong to download farms would sav the article. You might prefer to find it. BTW, the WP:COI is noted not as a reason of deletion but as an indicator of the fact that if this article survives AfD, it should undergo a serious fact checking against the independent reliable sources. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 15:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Keep : It has About 737,000 Google hits, so it is clearly of interest. Dmitrij you said there is three reasons why this article is notable. Check out Google Test. But also I will put link to University Master's thesis which reffer to my program ShixxNOTE. Also this book explain concept of Instant Messaging, ShixxNOTE program stands next to the Windows Messenger and it is not book about security flow. • Ozren Sirola (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please next time avoid voting twice. As I've noted before, the Google test only reveals lack of valid arguments to keep this article. The book is Wikipedia-sourced (we don't allow self-sourcing, so it doesn't count for a reference) and the Master's thesis... don't see the way it can prove notability. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 07:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

 Keep: This program had as noted in article, independant reliable review in "Bug" magazine (published in paper and online) in Croatian. Buffer overflow in ShixxNote 6.net retrieved January 8, 2006. is also independant reliable source. Moravek (talk) 17:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Keep : These are some users of ShixxNOTE program: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY, United States [rrecco@syr.edu]; European Air Support, Zaventem, Belgium [minhtri@europeanairsupport.com]; Planned Parenthood Hudson Peconic, NY, United States [dominick.dellavalle@ppfa.org]; Camara Nacional de Comercio de Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Mexico [lbrosas@hotmail.com]; Lozano Law Offices, Harrisonville, Missouri, United States [conoton@att.net]; University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada [w.skrobacki@utoronto.ca]; Bar Council Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia [plsoon@malaysianbar.org.my], etc. If you want contact all those users and ask them if this article is notable. I really don't see why Dmitrij D. Czarkoff is now so against this article. And on every attempt to prove notability of this program he is trying so hard to discredit article about ShixxNOTE program." Sirola (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Both sources fail WP:SIGCOV. Also note, that WP:NSOFT requests implication of notability, which is clearly not the case in any source discussed above. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 21:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please, read ISSN 1330-0318 Because that is one of most reliable independant source. If article is not properly link, that is different problem, but not for here. Moravek (talk) 13:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Moravek for supporting this article to stay on Wikipedia. There is plenty of reliable independant sources on the Internet for ShixxNOTE program. But also some of them are not on the Internet. For example students of "University Of Medicine in Zagreb, Croatia", uses my program for messaging. Because they have building with several floors and one big network, they asked me if I can give them program for free to improve communication, which I did. Now theirs communication is so much improved. They can send note from the computer on the first floor to the computers on the second, third or anywhere else in the University building. Also as you wrote Croatian BUG Magazine added my program on CD/DVD which is part of magazine three times. Also last time they wrote an article on Croatian about how program works. And ShixxNOTE version 4.net was rated 10/10 which is must have program for them. Sirola (talk) 18:35, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Where is the article? Is this the one linked in the article? If you have source, please identify it the way it may be accessed to verify the information. As I already said above, the fact that you have users is very nice, but unhelpful for establishing notability. Given that BUG Magazine releases CDs periodically and bundles quite a lot of software, this is no way an indication of notability. If this is indeed the most reliable source for the article, the deletion is really unavoidable. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I just want to tell that not every article about ShixxNOTE is on the Internet. There are some books and Master Thesis which are not online. Till now I wrote so many things to leave this article and to prove ShixxNOTE notability. BUG magazine is just one independant source. Sirola (talk) 08:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:N and WP:NSOFT on why the article in the BUG magazine doesn't help to establish notability. As I said above, the ShixxNOTE article needs one good reference (in addition to those present) to clearly pass, but that one should be an in-depth review at least implying notability. You might want to ask some of the reliable sources to make a lengthy review of a kind. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 11:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You've been told to please not mark more than one posting as a "vote". I've now crossed your repeated "keep" marks, so as not to confuse readers into thinking there were more than one person voting this way. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I never actually tried to discredit something. I'm actually trying to determine the availability of references from reliable verifiable sources. And right now the article is fully discredited by the lack of such sources without any action from my side. I'm glad you have users, but I see no sources and the statements from the users don't count per WP:R and WP:IRS. I have nothing againt you or your software, but I don't like the idea of keeping articles which don't pass even the WP:N. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I am not so familiar with Wikipedia rules. I didn't mean to represent that post as another user "vote". Kind regards. Sirola (talk) 11:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind. The fact that you are not familiar with Wikipedia rules clearly follows from your arguments. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That is not fact any more. Currently I know much more about Wikipedia rules. So sarcasm is not necessary. Sirola (talk) 19:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Keep - Per CNET Editor's review from February 27, 2009 and coverage in Bug Magazine, which other users have stated exists both in print and via internet. Northamerica1000 (talk) 02:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You must be kidding. We often discard such short notices from sources. Just imagine how the article would look like based on these. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 09:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think now that maybe Dmitrij D. Czarkoff have something personal against me. Because every time when I wrote something or user Moravek have wrote something, and now when user Northamerica1000 wrote "Very weak keep", he promptly replies to discredit what user thinks about ShixxNOTE article. Till now I didn't want to say this but maybe because he is born in Moscow and now he lives in Montenegro (country got independence from Serbia and Montenegro on 3 June 2006) and I am from Croatia, he have something against Croatians. Croatia country and Serbia and Montenegro country were in war 20 years ago. But in Serbia, Montenegro and some parts of Croatia lot of peaople still thinks about war. I live in Rijeka which is 45 minutes drive by car from Trieste, Italy and I'm open minded personally. Also I hate war and everything about it. Me and Dmitrij are speaking the same language (very little diferences). So why user Dmitrij D. Czarkoff didn't administrate or wrote something about ShixxNOTE article on Croatian Wikipedia or Serbian Wikipedia where ShixxNOTE article is listed till 2005 and nobody never have something against it ?! Sorry if I offend Dmitrij with this post, but please read everything he wrote. He is trying so hard to delete ShixxNOTE article but only on English Wikipedia. And also he wrote to user Northamerica1000 that he must be kidding for supporting my article ?! Why lobbing ?! If I'm wrong Dmitrij please receive my apologies. Sirola (talk) 23:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So the fact that I come from Russia and live in Montenegro suggests you that I'm Serbian nationalist and I hate Croatia? And my hatred towards Croatia motivates me in endorsing deletion of a piece of this piece of software? And I mask these with my request to add at least any reference longer then 50 words? I don't actually know, whether I'm more amused or offended. &mdash; Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 07:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ShixxNOTE program is not some piece of software. It is very known communication tool with users all around the world. A company with Windows network could use a software application like ShixxNOTE which is a network-enabled sticky notes program. Every computer on the network listens for new messages which when found are presented to the user like colorfull desktop sticky notes via which a reply can be sent instantly. Check Google or maybe I will ask some of my big customers to write something about ShixxNOTE program. So I just want to tell everybody that purpose of ShixxNOTE article on Wikipedia is not for self promotion. It is LAN messenger, instant messaging tool, personal organizer and many many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirola (talk • contribs) 21:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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